Toyota: Why cant Toyota or Honda make a car that drives just like a BMW?

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 00:16:34 GMT, Ron Loewy <com> wrote:
 

I agree. I am a fan of BMW but think they are over-priced. Additionally, I
never found the BMWs to be exceptionally beautiful. They are elegant but
so are the Japanese cars.

I believe that look of a car is very subjective for the person looking at
it. In America, we have a huge population who are fan of European stuffs.
Otherwise, Japanese cars would make better business in this country.

I often find it even surprising that Japanese cars are often taken by some
people with anti-American sentiment even though they are built here now.
For example, my all 3 cars so far were ford. However, when I decided to
buy a Sienna for family because of their reliability and cool features,
some people around me were not feeling happy that I selected a Japanese
car.

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I think we should also keep in mind that this is Lexus's first attempt to
nip at the heels of the 3er. While BMW has had a 20 year + head start with
the 3er, Lexus is just testing the water's w/ the first generation of the
IS (not a bad effort for the rookie model), by the 2nd or 3rd complete
design change I think they will surpass the 3er. Toyota has a habit of
introducing a very good product in a new segment of the market, but usually
by the 2nd or 3rd generation they surpass the market leader...in terms of
the best product, if not volume. There are always exceptions, the T100,
Tundra taking aim at the Ford F150, but im sure they will get it right by
the next model re-design. BTW, Ford should really look out for the upcoming
Nissan Titan.

In article <lvK7b.604$news.verio.net>,
"elmo" <com> wrote:
 

Someone once said, in a book about the history of Coca-Cola, that anyone
could make Coke. Sure, the recipe is all secret, etc.--but why? In
this day and age, so what if you had the recipe for Coke? You could
make it, and it would be a perfect copy--but would people buy it? You
aren't Coke. You don't have the history or the marketing muscle of Coke.

In other words, in no way would you be able to sell the exact same
product and do what Coke does.

Get the idea?

If I had about 45k to buy a car. The BMW would be near the bottom of my list.

Pars

elmo wrote:
 

I think we should also keep in mind that this is Lexus's first attempt to
nip at the heels of the 3er. While BMW has had a 20 year + head start with
the 3er, Lexus is just testing the water's w/ the first generation of the
IS (not a bad effort for the rookie model), by the 2nd or 3rd complete
design change I think they will surpass the 3er. Toyota has a habit of
introducing a very good product in a new segment of the market, but usually
by the 2nd or 3rd generation they surpass the market leader...in terms of
the best product, if not volume. There are always exceptions, the T100,
Tundra taking aim at the Ford F150, but im sure they will get it right by
the next model re-design. BTW, Ford should really look out for the upcoming
Nissan Titan.

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <com> wrote in message
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I get the point you are trying to make, but saying a BMW is Coke and a Lexus
is Kmart Special 5cent soda does not fly. I would say BMW Vs. Lexus is
comparing Coke to 7up...different folks, different strokes. Plus, what's in
BMW's history that sets it apart from the likes of Toyota? If we were
talking about a Ferrari then you would have a valid point.



The simple purpose of my post was to find out the objective (mechanical)
reason why Toyota can't/won't build a car w/ the ride of a BMW, because that
is one of the main reasons people prefer to fork over thousands more for a
BMW over a Lexus..u know, it's the "Ultimate DRIVING Machine" according to
BMW and its fans.



I can't wait to see/drive the V8 IS...and when it looses its rice ricer
looks.

pars wrote: 

Same here.

45K buys an awfully cherry classic car. Probably get - well, pick
something other than a Firarri or simmilar.

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <com> wrote in message
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I get the point you are trying to make, but saying a BMW is Coke and a Lexus
is Kmart Special 5cent soda does not fly. I would say BMW Vs. Lexus is
comparing Coke to 7up...different folks, different strokes. Plus, what's in
BMW's history that sets it apart from the likes of Toyota? If we were
talking about a Ferrari then you would have a valid point.

The simple purpose of my post was to find out the objective (mechanical)
reason why Toyota can't/won't build a car w/ the ride of a BMW, because that
is one of the main reasons people prefer to fork over thousands more for a
BMW over a Lexus..u know, it's the "Ultimate DRIVING Machine" according to
BMW and its fans.

I can't wait to see/drive the V8 IS...and when it looses its rice ricer
looks.