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Toyota: Why cant Toyota or Honda make a car that drives just like a BMW?

  1. #171
    dizzy
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    Re: Why cant Toyota or Honda make a car that drives just like a BMW?

    On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 17:17:30 +0100, co.uk wrote:
     

    There's more to it than that, top poster. Your decision to top-post
    means that you have decided not to have a discussion with me and
    respond to the points that I made. You just wanted to blather-away at
    the top.


  2. #172
    Jeff
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    Re: Why cant Toyota or Honda make a car that drives just like a BMW?

    I don't necessarily agree. There are many froums where it is customary to
    read a post, and frame the reply in a manner that covers the general theme
    all at one time instead of addressing each point as it is made. This sort of
    reply works best in a top-post format.

    It is not right to force bottom posting "just because." Especially, if the
    errant top poster trims the rest of the original post so everybody doesn't
    have to scroll down pages and pages only to find that there is no further
    discussion taking place.



    "dizzy" <com> wrote in message
    news:com... 
    down. 



  3. #173
    DTJ
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    Re: Why cant Toyota or Honda make a car that drives just like a BMW?

    On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 19:11:01 -0400, pars <"sdaro(remove)"@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
     

    You need to get examined by your doctor for alzhiemers.

  4. #174
    Gordon
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    Re: It ain't the American Worker, It's the American Manager

    On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 23:44:33 GMT, com wrote:
     

    Maybe not for much longer. The Wall St. Journal reported world-wide
    sales for major auto companies and Toyota was just a smidgen behind
    Ford and gaining rapidly.


  5. #175
    Neil
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    Re: Why cant Toyota or Honda make a car that drives just like a BMW?

    co.uk wrote in message news:<com>... 

    to
     

    (flame snipped)
     

    Thanks for the correction; that name slipped my mind. Speaking of
    corrections, it's spelled "McPherson," I think. But you agree that the
    Chapman strut is what I describe above, right?

    See the other post from pltrgyst for some other comments.

  6. #176
    Philip®
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    Re: Why cant Toyota or Honda make a car that drives just like a BMW?

    Sonny wrote: 

    The Nova was the same car as Corolla. Corolla/Nova were
    indistinguishable on the assembly line.
     

    NOT the case because NUMMI was/is contracted to build a car for their
    customers (GM and Toyota) with Toyota being the provider of design.
    Drivelines, electrics, electronics are all outsourced to American
    Toyota plants elsewhere in the US. Sheet metal, forgings, plastics,
    and paint are done on NUMMI premises.
     

    That would have been possible but unlikely with Corolla/Nova. With
    Corolla and Prizm, the cars had some differences in body panels,
    trunks, and hoods. Dashboards were different. But so far as the
    robot welders were concerned, same car.

    The 1990 Prizm I bought new had 285k miles when I sold it, running
    great. The new owner just rolled over 300k and still running fine.
    Never had to recharge the A/C in those 12 yrs. The original 3spd
    automatic croaked at 180k miles. It was a great, low maintenance
    cost car!
    --

    ~~Philip

    "Never let school interfere
    with your education - Mark Twain"


     




  7. #177
    notbob
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    Re: It ain't the American Worker, It's the American Manager

    On 2003-09-13, Roadie Roger <net> wrote:
     
     

    What parallel universe are you from? The daily news is rife with
    stories of avarice, greed, and corruption in coporate America.
    Companies raiding retirement plans for capital, mismanagement of
    401K's, firing/laying off workers with no advance notice, dropping
    group medical plans ...the list is endless. This is the country were
    the business ethic says its acceptable to shoot your employees,
    ferchrysakes! Sure, all those policies you listed were common in the
    properous 90's. That was because companies were so desperate for
    talent, they initiated a whole range of bennies to attract workers.
    Now that the sleigh ride is over, it's back to cutting the throat of
    the common worker.

    The working class will always be expendable in the business equation.
    Let's lay off thousands of loyal, longtime, workers to ship production
    offshore so management can retain their bonuses. Let's lay off
    thousands of the most productive workers in the world and replace them
    with illegal immigrants so we can pay them chicken feed. Let's lay
    off thousands of older, experienced, workers and replace them with
    clueless 20-somethings so we can cut health insurance costs. Let's
    contribute millions to scumbag politicians to pass crippling
    workplace safety and worker's protection legislation. YOUR statement
    is wrong. The company, read upper management, will screw the
    employee in a hearbeat, and then pat themselves on the back at their
    good judgement.

    nb





     

  8. #178
    hsg@h-gee.co.uk
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    Re: Re: Why cant Toyota or Honda make a car that drives just like a BMW?

    On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 22:22:53 GMT, dizzy <com> wrote:
     

    Dizzy

    Probably because you are most of the time.

    Top posting!

    I have made all the points and if you can only read between the lines I suggest
    you go back to school and stop playing with toy cars.

    Hugh

    BTW At least I use my real name and you have a god idea where I come from. I am
    very experienced in dealing with tossers as I do it all day at a school so I
    know school boy dreams when I hear them.

    Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it!

    Hugh Gundersen
    co.uk
    co.uk
    http://www.bognor-bill.co.uk
    Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK

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  9. #179
    hsg@h-gee.co.uk
    Guest

    Re: Re: Why cant Toyota or Honda make a car that drives just like a BMW?

    On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 18:05:43 -0400, pltrgyst <net> wrote:
     

    Just goes to show that Earl McPhearson couldn't write his own speeches just like
    today's politicians! We have those too.

    Hugh

    Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it!

    Hugh Gundersen
    co.uk
    co.uk
    http://www.bognor-bill.co.uk
    Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK

    -------------------------------------------------
    Vyisder Asmeni
    Orsisarsis Asderisorsis.
    B.Cozderiz
    Vunarz
    PERORZ
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  10. #180
    notbob
    Guest

    Re: Why cant Toyota or Honda make a car that drives just like a BMW?

    On 2003-09-14, John Stone <net> wrote:
     

    No documented evidence. Reality speaks for itself. As a lifelong
    mechanic, I've seen the evidence first hand.
     

    Granted, Toyota makes very reliable powerplant/drivetrains. This is
    because Toyota tends toward beefy, understressed, designs. Their
    perfomance offerings, OTOH, are junk. Sure, a Toyota will run
    forever, but it'll be a dilapidated heap going down the road. Overall,
    Hondas are much more reliable. Just yesterday, I was commenting to
    the parts man how the air conditioning on my '87 Honda still works,
    good as new. Never been worked on. He said the same thing about his
    '82!!
     

    Very true. I don't try and define myself by the car I drive. To me,
    a car is just a tool. Those who do are not likely to keep a car for
    any length of time, so, to them, longevity is not usually a criteria.
     

    And it was the Japanese who forced this. Until the Japanese car
    industry came of age, many other car makers where turning out crap.
    The US industry was in serious trouble in the face of Japanese
    competition, and were forced to improve reliability or perish. Some
    car makers did. The entire British motor industry almost died forever
    in the face of the Japanese onslaught. Granted, the German stuff
    didn't flag. In fact, I think that was the height of German quality,
    the 60's and 70's. But, then the Japanese car industry targeted the
    luxury market and German stuff cheapened, in order to compete. Now,
    with all this world trade stuff, the whole industry has homoginized,
    somewhat, into a pretty level playing field, with improved overall
    reliability of all car makers being one of the great benefits.

    nb


 

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