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    AstraVanMan
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    Well, if you can't laugh, what can you do . . . . .

    Eventful week this week for me, car-wise. Sunday night I end up working
    (wish I'd said no to it, which I could have done, but anyhoo, I'll get on
    with it). Going from Slough to Oxford, and going quick-ish (around 85 or
    so, getting up towards 90) and the overheating light comes on. "Shit", I
    think. Hazards on, pull over to the hard shoulder, and in the process of
    stopping it's gone off. Pop up the bonnet, and slowly take the coolant cap
    off, no hissing of coolant under pressure, looks all ok, I get on with
    journey. Next time it happens I just ease off the throttle, get down to
    about 70, and it goes off. Make an effort on the return journey to
    definitely drive no faster than 65-70 max (had to anyway as it happens as
    the fuel light had come on), and it all seemed fine. In the next few days I
    think it came on once, when I was going up a hill, doing about 70, but
    letting off the throttle made the light go off again. Knowing I had to be
    gentle with it, I was nice to it, and especially careful on uphill
    stretches. From then on, though, I was pretty much on London runs all the
    time (which I prefer). The cooling fan was coming on loads, but the
    overheating light never came on. At one point I popped off the grille at a
    time when the fan was on, and the rad was cold. Worrying. I didn't worry
    too much based on the fact that it hadn't overheated in all this London
    traffic, and there was obviously a sticking thermostat (or maybe something
    else) but I'd get it sorted at the weekend as it hadn't *actually* given me
    a problem. Then Wednesday night, heading out of town (to the West) on the
    Embankment road, the overheating light came on. I pulled over AQAP, popped
    up the bonnet, and slowly loosened the coolant cap, to be greeted by lots of
    thick brown crap boiling over. "Shit", I think. Leave it for a few
    minutes, check the oil, and that's still clean, not mayonnaise like or
    anything. I wondered if the engine would still run, and it started up and
    ran fine. Got it a few minutes up the road and the light comes on again.
    This time leave it for ages to cool down properly and get all the way up to
    the BP garage just before the Hammersmith Flyover before the light comes on.
    Call RAC, am advised that I only have the basic membership that only
    entitles me to a tow up to 10 miles, try to blag it that I was told 50,
    doesn't work, call my mate out who tows me home.

    The next day, I take the good old reliable Carlton into town. As expected,
    it gets rather hot in town, but turning the heater on full blast stops the
    needle from going much above the 3/4 mark, even though it does make me sweat
    my bollocks off sitting in the car. Gets me out of a hole, but I can't help
    thinking that I'd much rather be in an air-conditioned automatic car, as
    using the clutch twenty times a minute does tend to wear one's shoes down
    (lucky I got them cheap, eh!). Hold on a minute, I say, I've got an Omega
    Elite. Take that into town the next day. Problem solved. In on the
    M4/A312/A40 to Park Royal, over to Ikea at Brent Park, then around the NCR
    to Hanger Lane (crawling for the last half mile) and along the A40 to the
    A3220 (crawling again) - but it doesn't bother me, as I'm in a relaxing
    climate-controlled automatic. Along the A3220, down to Fulham, a couple of
    drops in Fulham, and crawling again up to Hammersmith. Couple of hours in
    Hammersmith, then out to Uxbridge and on to Slough. All going swimmingly.
    Then over to Henley, back to Slough, then over to Reading and back to
    Slough, via Bracknell. Then pick up another few late jobs into London
    (leaving Slough at about 5pm) - one for Victoria Station (dropped off at
    5:40pm) and another one for the City (dropped off at 6pm), and then onto
    Ilford (get there at 6:30pm) to pick up something for Putney. Fuel very low
    at Ilford, fill up at the Esso garage by the A12/A406 roundabout, and also
    buy oil and top up (as I checked it earlier and it was on the minimum mark).

    Before I top up the oil I check it again (engine's been stopped for about 10
    mintues by now, so a fairly reliable reading) - yep it's at the minimum
    mark. Fully aware of the risks of overfilling it, I put about a quarter of
    the litre bottle (10W/40 for turbo diesels - checked the viscosity rating
    with the car's handbook) - that brought it up to about a third way between
    min and max, so chucked a reasonable amount more in - that got it to about
    2/3rds of the way between min and max. That'll do fine, methinks. Drive
    away. Reset trip computer, and go down the new-ish A12 (cruise set at 50,
    38mpg average down that bit, but don't worry it was down to 24mpg before
    long!), down past Docklands (Aspen Way/Limehouse Link), along to Tower
    Bridge, cut through Southwark and Lambeth, out onto the Embankment (lights
    out at one of the junctions here, causing queuing, helped to bring the
    economy down a fair bit!), then through Fulham, out onto Putney Bridge, and
    over to Putney - exactly an hour from Ilford to Putney, so a bloody good run
    in and out of town. Delivered the package, then head out through Barnes out
    to the A316, and out towards the M3.

    Going over the flyover at Sunbury Cross (start of the M3), and it starts to
    make worrying noises and lose power. No hard shoulder on the flyover, and
    the slip-road's joining - luckily it's clear, enabling me to go over to the
    hard shoulder of the slip-road. I turn the engine off, then attempte to
    start it again, lots of rattling, but it revs up ok, so the timing is fine
    (chain is obviously still intact). Loads of smoke coming from the engine
    bay. I'm thinking that there's an oil seal buggered and it's burning off
    oil left right and centre. Looking under the car it's certainly lost shit
    loads of oil. Anyway, I call my mate to tow me back (2nd car I've fucked in
    3 days, we're both in hysterics at this point) and we get it back home. The
    next day another mate of mine looks at it in daylight and the massive
    amounts of smoke are still happening, and that's with a cold engine, so
    that's not oil burning off from anywhere. He reckons there's something
    buggered about the exhaust manifold (a crack or something), or maybe the
    turbo's fucked. We check the oil, and it's *above* the maximum.
    WTF???????? When I topped up the oil it was *definitely* just below max
    after I'd topped it up. Is there any way that the turbo could store any
    oil, and if a seal or something popped then this could cause the oil level
    to go up?? Maybe I'm picking at straws here, but either I completely cocked
    up topping up the oil (and I swear blind that I didn't) or all of a sudden
    an amount of oil equal to just below the max mark on the dipstick was equal
    to amount just above the max mark plus a whole load of oil all over the hard
    shoulder on the M3 sliproad at Sunbury.

    Anyway, I did what I swore I'd never do and took the Fiesta into the Ford
    dealer to do the head gasket (and whatever else needs doing) - they said
    £500 for the head gasket job (6 hours labour plus parts) - eeeeekkk.
    They're going to replace the cambelt as a matter of course when doing the
    head gasket job as they don't like to retension old belts, and considering
    it was due a cambelt anyway, that's effectively best part of £200 off the
    price IYSWIM.

    The Omega? Well, ebay here we come.

    I was getting a bit fed up of the Carlton, but jumping into it after having
    towed home the Omega I suddenly loved it again (and it wasn't just to do
    with the fact that it was the only one of my cars that still goes
    properly!). Also, yesterday we towed the Omega down to the local jet-wash
    with the Carlton - would have made a great photo opportunity, an Omega
    Estate being towed by a Carlton Estate.

    And there was me thinking I'd be the lucky one if I sold my Carlton for just
    a few hundred less than the Omega cost me. Whoever bought the Carlton would
    be laughing from the other side of the fence now!

    Peter



  2. #2
    Howard
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    Re: Well, if you can't laugh, what can you do . . . . .


    "AstraVanMan" <com> wrote in message
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    having 

    Just a thought re your overheating Carlton. Carltons and Senators used to be
    renowned for overheating, particularly when towing.

    I used to have a Senator and towed a caravan with it. I had similar problems
    which were cured by fitting a new radiator. The Caravan Club had looked into
    this problem and concluded that this problem was caused by too weak an
    antifreeze solution which caused corrosion inside the radiator. Apparently
    there was no such problem if the antifreeze was kept at a reasonable
    strength or if there was no antifreeze.

    When I had my problem, the Senator was four years old and had covered about
    100k miles. I kept the antifreeze at 33% after fitting the new radiator. The
    car lasted another 10 years and had over 250k miles on the clock when tin
    worm finished it off. The radiator still worked well and I had no further
    overheating problems.

    --
    Howard Neil



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    SteveH
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    Re: Well, if you can't laugh, what can you do . . . . .

    "Howard Neil" <hneil@REMOVE TO REPLY.co.uk> wrote:
     

    Just 33%...... last time I did a coolant change I reckon I was running
    on 90% coolant ;-)
    --
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    JB
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    Re: Well, if you can't laugh, what can you do . . . . .


    "AstraVanMan" <com> wrote in message
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    <snip: tale of usual misery and mega impending financial hardship>

    Jesus Peter!
    How do you do it? Not that I'm moaning, as it's just given me the usual "at
    least some other poor bastard has it worse" feeling.
    So that's a dead Omega, sick Fiesta and a poorly Carlton.
    Mate, you've not had a good year either have you.
    Hope your luck improves,
    JB

    PS: try to keep away from Ebay eh?. You just don't buy cars (sight-unseen)
    from there.



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    AstraVanMan
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    Re: Well, if you can't laugh, what can you do . . . . .

    > > Eventful week this week for me, car-wise. Sunday night I end up working 
    "at 

    Well to be honest, the Carlton's pretty healthy, just the usual not
    desperately good cooling system. Crap battery as well. And I've only had
    that battery two years (bought it for my first Carlton). Might take it into
    Halfords and say I only bought it a few months back. It worked with a 1
    hour old solid towbar that I blatantly wrecked through stupidity, and they
    handed over a new one following a bullshit story. They're gullible like
    that. And probably don't have the brains to read this group, so my guess is
    that I'm fairly safe!
     

    Nope. To be completely honest (if a little morbid) the last year or two
    have probably been an all time low for my life as a whole. The Omega and
    the Fiesta buggering up are just a very small insignificant part of it, and
    almost not worth mentioning in the grand scheme of things - just thought I'd
    give the guys on the newsgroup a laugh! Still, I suppose things can only
    get better.
     

    It'd better do.
     

    If I was to buy a car from ebay again (only one I've bought off there so far
    was that TD Carlton, which died in a remarkably similar way to the TD
    Omega - even had to veer across a <luckily empty> motorway sliproad onto its
    hard shoulder to find a safe spot to break down), I'd definitely go and look
    at it first before bidding.

    Peter



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    Huw
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    Re: Well, if you can't laugh, what can you do . . . . .


    "SteveH" <co.uk> wrote in message
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    covered about 
    radiator. The 
    when tin 
    further 
    running 

    If you mean a 90% ratio of ethylene glycol antifreeze to 10% water
    then the cooling efficiency of the system will be significantly
    compromised. The convention is to use a 50/50 solution with anything
    from 33% up to 50% being acceptable in the UK.

    Standard Ethylene Glycol has altered from what it was around 15 years
    ago and the current 'British Standard' calls for much improved levels
    of corrosion inhibitor compared to the previous standard.

    Huw


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    SteveH
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    Re: Well, if you can't laugh, what can you do . . . . .

    "Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
     

    Is there a reason for this?

    I mean, I didn't do it on purpose, it was just that I misjudged how much
    to use (not having a manual handy but it did seem to solve the
    overheating problems I'd been having.
     

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    Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
    http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800
    VW Golf GL Cabrio (carb broken) - Alfa 75 TS - Alfa 33 1.7ie
    BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #

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    Huw
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    Re: Well, if you can't laugh, what can you do . . . . .


    "SteveH" <co.uk> wrote in message
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    anything 
    much 

    AFAIK it is not as efficient at heat transfer compared to water or
    the correct ratio of water to antifreeze. Your experience would seem
    to run counter to the convention.

    Huw




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    Guy
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    Re: Well, if you can't laugh, what can you do . . . . .

    co.uk (SteveH) mumbled:
     
     

    Reason why it's less effective or reason why 50/50 is common?

    It's less effective 'cos the Specific Heat Capacity of water (the amount
    of energy needed to raise the temperature of a given amount of substance
    by a given amount) is vast compared to anything else useable. There are
    substances with higher SHCs, but they're things like hydrogen which
    ain't ideal for use in cars.

    50/50 is common 'cos it's a reasonable trade off between SHC and
    freezing (mushing really) point.

    --
    Skipweasel:- There's an old proverb that says just about whatever you
    want it to.



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    JackH
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    Re: Well, if you can't laugh, what can you do . . . . .


    "AstraVanMan" <com> wrote in message
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    <SNIP>

    Oh dear... sounds a bit like the week I had when both the Nova and Vectra
    went majorly tits up within 12 hours of each other!

    Rotten luck, old chap.
     

    Now this I don't understand, unless of course it's because of time
    constraints; why get all that done at a main dealer, when you must surely be
    able to get it done far cheaper at a local independent?

    Ob Fiesta:

    So glad I bought it now... yes, it needs a fair bit of welding to sort out
    the rot at the back, but with mechanicals nursed for all of its 65k before
    landing in my lap, by an old duffer, it drives like new, and has only needed
    a new rad, new front pads and an oil service in the two weeks and nigh on 3k
    I've driven it.

    Take it easy on a long run? Over 60mpg with ease.

    Thrash it here there and everywhere, and it never drops below 45mpg.

    All in all, extremely happy with it.

    Good luck in sorting out a plan to get all yours sorted.

    --
    JackH




 

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