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    Philip®
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    Too Much Electronic junk!


    Bugs bite Mercedes quality
    Glitches lead to go-slower approach

    By Diana T. Kurylko
    September 15, 2003

    FRANKURT -- Top executives at Mercedes-Benz admit that a wave of
    increasingly complex electronic products proved so difficult to debug
    that the German automaker is modifying its first-at-all-costs
    approach to technology.

    Quality glitches caused by Mercedes' Comand system proved maddeningly
    difficult to fix two years ago, forcing the automaker to boost
    product testing by 50 percent.

    Problems with Comand, which integrates the onboard navigator,
    entertainment system and phone, forced Mercedes to buy back 2,000
    E-class sedans from U.S. customers. The quality glitches also created
    tensions with Robert Bosch GmbH, a key Mercedes supplier.

    This is the first time Mercedes-Benz has acknowledged the widespread
    quality problems. During an interview with Automotive News at the
    Frankfurt auto show, a top company executive said Mercedes is working
    hard to improve its ranking on consumer quality surveys.

    "We have a problem because we are the technology leader," said
    Juergen Hubbert, the DaimlerChrysler board member responsible for
    Mercedes cars. "We were not talking about (the improvement) because
    you have to see it. On the next survey you will see we are on our
    way."

    Hubbert was referring to J.D. Power's most recent Initial Quality
    Survey, which measures a vehicle's quality three months after it is
    purchased. The survey, which was released in spring, ranked Mercedes
    15th among brands, barely above the industry average.

    Detective work

    Problems began to crop up two years ago, when Mercedes-Benz had
    trouble integrating Comand's features. Bosch supplied the system's
    navigator.

    When Mercedes-Benz connected Comand's electronic systems, the screen
    would go blank and systems would malfunction. The system created
    other glitches. For example, the system inadvertently would activate
    the electric seats and drain the battery.

    A Bosch source says Mercedes asked the supplier to integrate Comand's
    features after Mercedes had trouble doing so. But the effort to debug
    Comand strained Bosch's engineering resources.

    According to a Mercedes executive, Bosch placated its angry customer
    by firing a top executive in its Blaupunkt unit, which produces
    navigators, radios and other electronics. The Mercedes source did not
    name the executive, and the Bosch spokesman declined to comment.

    But it is known that senior Bosch executive Stephan Rojahn left the
    company without explanation late in 2001.

    Rojahn, a highly regarded manager who was on Bosch's fast track, was
    responsible for Blaupunkt. Rojahn later joined Durr AG, a
    manufacturer of paint equipment.

    Sporadic failures

    Comand's quality glitches proved difficult to track down. The
    electronics would fail sporadically, making it difficult to identify
    and fix problems.

    "When you looked into it, it never happened again - until the next
    time," Hubbert said.

    As problems persisted, consumers began to downgrade their opinions of
    Mercedes quality. According to J.D. Power data, Mercedes owners
    reported 132 problems per 100 vehicles, just above the industry
    average of 133 problems.

    "Seven out of our top 10 problems are with electronics,
    communications, telematics, radio, telephone - activities where we
    had put a lot of electronic systems in the car," said Hubbert.

    The good news, according to the company, is that the electronics
    problems have been fixed.

    "What we have and what we deliver to the market is of significantly
    higher quality than it ever was," said Hans-Joachim Schoepf,
    executive vice president for Mercedes-Benz's car development and
    engineering.

    To improve quality, Mercedes-Benz increased its product testing by 50
    percent. "We do more testing than we ever did, especially with
    debugging," Schoepf said. "The real problem is that we underestimated
    the debugging phase in new electronics systems, especially
    multimedia."

    The company also redesigned its Comand system so that it can diagnose
    a problem without the customer's intervention.

    "If something happens in the system, it repairs itself," Schoepf
    says. "You won't see it as a customer."

    Mercedes also has dispatched employees to its suppliers to become
    technology experts. The company has assigned staffers to Motorola,
    Nokia and Siemens, among others.

    "If you want to work together with your supplier you have to have
    expertise," said Schoepf. "Otherwise, they can tell you anything."

    Schoepf also says Mercedes made sure that dealers were kept informed
    so that they could fix vehicles as they came in for service.

    Mercedes-Benz eventually changed suppliers, awarding the navigator
    contract to Harman/Becker Automotive Systems.

    Bosch's other contracts with Mercedes have not been affected.

    "It was clear the multimedia side has nothing to do with the fuel
    injection, sensor or the engine control unit," Schoepf said.

    Technology leader

    The experience has not deterred Mercedes-Benz from its goal of being
    the auto industry's technology leader in safety and fuel economy.

    For example, Mercedes considers its Pre-Safe crash avoidance system,
    which activates the brakes when it senses an impending crash, to be a
    key safety technology.

    But company executives are debating the need to adopt less essential
    technologies quickly. For example, Mercedes-Benz has not moved
    quickly to introduce Internet access or text message service.

    Mercedes executives are troubled by the brand's drop in quality
    ratings. But Joachim Schmidt, head of worldwide sales and marketing,
    argues that customer loyalty remains high.

    "We have problems but ... we are very successful in terms of sales
    and we are very successful in terms of brand awareness," Schmidt
    said. "We have the highest loyalty rate in the automotive industry."

    Schmidt says Mercedes dealers have been able to fix nearly all
    problems.

    "We have customers that have high expectations," he says. "There is
    no sign that the situation is grave. Our image is great."





  2. #2
    Pahsons
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    Re: Too Much Electronic junk!

    Falling asleep through Philip®'s post...
     

    I want my bandwith back

    --
    "If you can't change a tire, you're not allowed to have a beard. It's the
    most basic part of a car: If you don't know that much about a car, you
    really shouldn't be driving, should you?" - Jimmy Kimmel
    http://www.cafeshops.com/creexul.2534632
    Owner of Henry Cotter, apparently not the first,
    http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-
    8&q=author:manofhour%40webtv.net+

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    Tegger®
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    Re: Too Much Electronic junk!

    "Philip®" <net> painstakingly pecked in
    news:J3o9b.4431$news.pas.earthlink.net:
     


    Well, there you go. The problem is that the Krauts tried to design their
    own computers. German procedural rigidity and electrons don't go well
    together.

    Everybody should leave the computer hardware to the very finest of the
    hardware designers in the world, the Japanese and the Hong Kong and Taiwan
    Chinese.

    OTOH, my hearing aid (a sparkling example of super-micro electronics
    subjected to environmentally very severe conditions), was made in Denmark,
    and works just fine.

    --
    TeGGeR®

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    Nick
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    Re: Too Much Electronic junk!

    Tegger® <invalid> wrote in message
    news:11.168.195... 

    Hey, some of the finest examples of electronics design didn't come out of
    Japan, they came out of America. :-P

    Do you really think the Japanese and Taiwanese had THAT much to do with the
    architecture of the computer you're in front of? :-)


    Nick.

     



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    Tegger®
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    Re: Too Much Electronic junk!

    "Philip®" <net> painstakingly pecked in
    news:J3o9b.4431$news.pas.earthlink.net:
     


    Well, there you go. The problem is that the Krauts tried to design their
    own computers. German procedural rigidity and electrons don't go well
    together.

    Everybody should leave the computer hardware to the very finest of the
    hardware designers in the world, the Japanese and the Hong Kong and Taiwan
    Chinese.

    OTOH, my hearing aid (a sparkling example of super-micro electronics
    subjected to environmentally very severe conditions), was made in Denmark,
    and works just fine.

    --
    TeGGeR®

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    Tegger®
    Guest

    Re: Too Much Electronic junk!

    "Nick Trounson" <is.from.the.devil.xtra.co.nz>
    painstakingly pecked in newsZs9b.148907$xtra.co.nz:
     


    The early ones, yes. We've given up on most of that by now and have moved
    on to things that have more margin in them. Just like TVs.

     


    Absolutely. Most laptops are designed and built entirely natively by some
    Taiwanese company I forget the name of but which was featured in Forbes
    last year.

    --
    TeGGeR®

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    Tegger®
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    Re: Too Much Electronic junk!

    "Tegger®" <invalid> painstakingly
    pecked in news:11.168.195:
     


    What the hell is this? Has anyone else noticed that my posts are getting
    duplicated?

    --
    TeGGeR®

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    Peter
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    Re: Too Much Electronic junk!

    Reading "Philip®" <net>'s post:
     

    This is what happens when you take Chrysler quality and infuse it with
    a respectable company

     

    <snip>

    Peter

  9. #9
    Padre
    Guest

    Re: Too Much Electronic junk!

    They should'nt blame electronics - Lexus has probably more gadgets than
    Mercedes yet no failures.



  10. #10
    Tegger®
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    Re: Too Much Electronic junk!

    Peter Schroeder <com> vomited violently forth in
    news:com:
     


    Do you think it has anything to do with the size of Dieter Zetsche's
    mustache?

    --
    TeGGeR®


 

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