Nissan: Timing chain noise, advice please!
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Timing chain noise, advice please!
Hi all,
I have a 94 Altima with 173,000 km. Lately I've noticed some noise from
the timing chain area at idle. It's always had some noise there, but it
seems like it might be more pronounced now. Basically it's a sort of
threshing mechanical sound, but it's got a sort of "beat" to it that happens
at a rate of about 4 or 5 times per second at idle. When it's cold in the
morning, I also get an occasional "crunch" type sound from this area, but
I'm not sure it's coming from under the valve cover or not. I had it
checked by the dealer a couple of times, the first time I had it in for
service and they checked, but didn't hear anything. They did note that the
upper guides had been removed already.
In the last couple of weeks, it's been -18C and below a few days, and I've
noticed another sound that's more pronounced than usual (maybe I'm just
paranoid!). It's a rotational sound that I can hear only when accelerating
lightly or keeping constant speed with little load on the engine.. it
almost sounds like a dull metal-on-metal knock... but it's not really
abrasive sounding.. I had a water pump go bad on an old Civic, and it
almost sounds like that did. I don't know if this is at all related to the
timing chain sound or not, but it almost sounds like it could be. I had it
down to the dealer last week for a road test with their shop foreman, and he
was able to hear the rotation sound once he got behind the wheel, but didn't
think it was anything serious. His only real suggestion was that it might
be something in the transmission. While I had him trapped away from the
dealership, I had him listen under the hood, for the timing chain noise, and
he thought there might be some slack in the chain, but again it didn't seem
like he thought it was anything critical. I'm fine with that, but it's my
engine and I hear it all the time, so it's not as easy for me to dismiss,
although maybe I should since he's the expert. I just would hate to have
been right all along and have the timing chain snap on me.
Anyone have any suggestions as to what I should do? I guess there aren't
many options, but I'm wondering how often anyone's seen these engines blow a
chain, and if there's usually any warning sign or not. According to the
dealer, they can't really inspect the chain without getting into a lot of
work, so if I was going to get them to do that, it sounds like I might as
well get the chain replaced anyway.
Would you folks recommend replacing the chain at this age? If so then maybe
I'll just do that and put my mind at ease. The car runs great otherwise and
still has lots of spirit, so I don't think there's anything really
fundamentally wrong with it. If there's anything I could do to maybe help
better identify what I'm hearing, I'll do it!
Thanks as usual for the help.
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Re: Timing chain noise, advice please!
JM, It's common for the 94' Altima to have timing chain noise. Do you know
if the lower guide was replaced with the updated part when the upper guides
where removed. AT 170k I say it's time for new timing chains, guides, and
tensioner, before it does any more damage. It won't be cheap thou.
"JM" <ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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Re: Timing chain noise, advice please!
brystok wrote:
Yep sounds like it's chain time to me too.
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Steve
http://www.atlantaracing.com
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Re: Timing chain noise, advice please!
Ok. I think I'll go to the other dealer in town and see what they think. I
don't mind getting it done, it might sting a bit but it's the only way to be
sure it's taken care of.
I was under the hood again tonight, trying to nail down where the various
sounds are coming from, and I think the rotation sound I mentioned second in
my original post is actually coming from something outside of the engine.
It sounds like it might be the alternator or something in that area. It's
hard to hear it at idle, but if I rev it up, for a moment I can hear the
sound before the revs come up to where I have the throttle. I can't hear
the sound at all when I'm listening directly over the valve cover. I wonder
if a hose or screwdriver held up against a few of the things on the
serpentine belt would be able to identify the source. One thing I forgot to
mention was that although the sound is worse when cold, it seems more
related to the air temperature than the engine temperature. During the cold
days last week, even after the engine was fully warmed up, the sound was
much more noticeable than it is this week, in warmer weather. So that to me
would indicate it may be something external to the engine.
I'll post my findings as they come in. 
"Steve" <com> wrote in message
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Re: Timing chain noise, advice please!
As for using a screwdriver or hose to locate the source - about 30 years ago
I bought a mechanics stethoscope - like doctors use - except it has about a
ten inch metal rod on the end for listening to engine noises. I can put it
on an alternator, water pump, etc., and get a pretty good idea of where a
noise is coming from. However, it is VERY loud if you bump it against
anything when you have the ear pieces in your ears. I don't know if they
still make them or not, but it was cheap and has lasted a long time.
"JM" <ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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Re: Timing chain noise, advice please!
I just saw one of these today, beleive it or not! I think I'll pick one up
tomorrow, they were only $20 or so. Unfortunately the area I'm listening in
is right around the belts so I'll have to be careful to not get the tube
snagged anywhere!
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Re: Timing chain noise, advice please!
JM wrote:
A screwdriver works great, never heard of using a hose..
Something else you can try, remove the belts and crank it up. If the noise
is still there, it's inside the engine.
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Stacey
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Re: Timing chain noise, advice please!
I thought of that, but unfortunately I don't have a garage, and I'm pretty
sure I'd have to get under the car to do that... which wouldn't be fun
at -23C.

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