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Nissan Maxima: Timing belt tension adjustment

  1. #1
    Maksym
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    Timing belt tension adjustment

    I just changed the timing belt in my Maxima GXE 94, and thanks God it
    looks like I didn't screw up valve timing.

    I'd like to share my concerns about timing belt tension adjustment.
    I did everything as per FSM and ended up with hex hole in 11-11:30
    position. Which contradicts to the information I read on the Internet
    stating that for VG30 engines normal tensioner hex hole position would
    be 5-5:30.

    Now here are my thoughts:
    a) It's said in the FSM to start adjustment from fully outward
    position. Which is in my understanding 8:00. Then turn 75-80 degrees
    clockwise. So it goes to 10:30. Then use feeler gauge etc. So as I
    said I ended up in 11-11:30 position.

    b) 11:30 and 5:30 positions would make the same tension to the belt
    because the virtual line from 5:30 to 11:30 is parallel to the timing
    belt. So still nothing too wrong with 11:30 position.

    c) What is the purpose of the spring in the tensioner? After the
    tensioner is secured by the bolt there is no way how the spring could
    affect the tension. So the only purpose I found could be to keep the
    belt on proper tension until the bolt is secured. But for this the
    tensioner should be at 5:30 not 11:30.

    So is there a mistake in FSM or my argumentation has a flaw?

    Car still runs decent after the t/b change but it looks like it
    doesn't have all the power after heating up. Gonna check CTS...

    Ah, and another question. Why do we need to set TDC on the comression
    stroke before doing the job? What is wrong with exhaust stroke?

    Thanks in advance,
    Max

  2. #2
    Steve
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    Re: Timing belt tension adjustment

    Maksym Moyseyenko wrote:
     

    If you use a nissan belt it's impossible to screw it up as it has marks on
    it.

     

    To tension the belt before you lock it down. If you just wind up the spring
    to get the tensioner back and snug the nut, install the belt, unsnug the
    nut and let the spring do it's job then tighten the nut back up it's a done
    deal. If you had to work against the spring to adjust the belt, you were
    doing it wrong.

     

    Exactly..

     

    If you used an aftermarket belt with no marks, $20 says you have the rear
    cam advanced a tooth, you do realize the marks on the covers aren't quite
    right and the marks on the belt are? Seen this done dozens of times and
    kills the power the car is supposed to have. To fix it you get to take it
    all back apart!
    --

    Steve

    http://www.atlantaracing.com

  3. #3
    Maksym
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    Re: Timing belt tension adjustment

    Thanks for the reply Steve.
    See my comments below.

    Steve T <com> wrote in message news:<de>... 

    Yes I used a Nissan OEM belt.
     

    So it looks like Nissan FSM has a mistake?! As I pointed in a) I ended
    up in 11:30 position according to FSM. That means that spring would
    unwinds _from_ the belt no to the belt. Which just doesn't make sense.
     

    I used Nissan OEM belt. I agree that by symptoms it looks like one of
    the cams is advanced a tooth. But when I installed the belt I didn't
    use marks at the rear upper cover - I simply don't have them. I just
    matched all the three marks on the belt with dots on the
    crank/camshaft sprockets while in TDC1. It should be enough.
    May be I have to check it... I hate to undo the whole thing!!!

    Btw do you know why do we have to set TDC1 on the compression stroke?
    Why not on exhaust stroke? In both cases all the marks line up...

  4. #4
    Steve
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    Re: Timing belt tension adjustment

    Maksym Moyseyenko wrote:

     

    If you're sure all the marks lined up with the marks on the pulleys, you're
    fine. Maybe the EFI engine temp sensor is wacky? You were in that area and
    if it is corroded, when you disturbed the wires to it you could affect how
    it works. Not fun to get to without a special tool. Also replace the
    subharness and the sensor if you do this.
     

    The cam pulleys wouldn't, they'd be 180 deg out i.e. the dots pointing down.

    And yes it sounds like a FSM is wrong if it instructs you to have the
    tensioner where the spring pulls the tensioner away from the belt.

    --

    Steve

    http://www.atlantaracing.com

  5. #5
    Maksym
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    Re: Timing belt tension adjustment

    Steve T <com> wrote in message news:<de>... 

    I think you mean coolant temperature sensor. I don't think 90+ Maximas
    have EFI temp sensor.
     

    Yes, looks like you are right. Thanks.

  6. #6
    Bill
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    Re: Timing belt tension adjustment

    "Maksym Moyseyenko" <com> wrote in message
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    The coolant temp sensor is up on top. All it does is send the info to your
    dash guages. Whether you have it plugged in or not will not affect the
    engine performance. Kinda like the oil pressure sending unit. It just
    measures something for the human eye to look at but doesn't affect/control
    anything.


    Bill G
    '91 SE Auto
    166K miles



  7. #7
    Maksym
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    Re: Timing belt tension adjustment

    "Bill G" <com> wrote in message news:<ELdyc.44409$ops.worldnet.att.net>... 
    Just checked in FSM. There are two sensors actually. Engine coolant
    temperature sensor (ECTS) sends signal to ECU in order to adjust
    engine working mode. Thermal sensor sends signal directly to the
    temperature gauge. The two sensors are completely independent.

  8. #8
    Steve
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    Re: Timing belt tension adjustment

    Maksym Moyseyenko wrote:
     

    Whatever you want to call the sensor that the engine computer measures the
    engine temp. They change what they call this stuff from year to year, the
    parts guy will know what you're talking about. If you call it a "coolant
    temperature sensor" they'll sell you the one for the gauge on the dash,
    that's why I call it the EFI temp sensor.



    --

    Steve

    http://www.atlantaracing.com

  9. #9
    Steve
    Guest

    Re: Timing belt tension adjustment

    Maksym Moyseyenko wrote:
     

    Exactly. You call it ECU, I call it EFI, next year they'll call it ECI. It's
    like air flow meters, I get corrected and told it's a MAS. Whatever....

    Tell you what, call the dealer and tell them you need an ECTS and I bet they
    won't have any idea what you're talking about! Tell them you need the temp
    senosr for the EFI and they'll go get you one.
    --

    Steve

    http://www.atlantaracing.com


 

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