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    Rich
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    Does anyone have any feedback on the products found at:

    http://phantomplate.com/main.html

    I purchased their spray and the plate shield (Photoshield). I am not
    entirely convinced that the spray works. I took some digital flash
    photos of my car at night in the driveway. I found that at an angle,
    the spray worked and obscured my plate. Straight on, it was not so
    good... it gave only a partial or little reflection leaving my plate
    readable.

    I asked the company tech guy about it (and sent him the photos), and his
    reply was that a flash on a home digital camera is only intended for
    10-15 feet, and that the flash used in photo radar is 10X stronger and
    brighter...therefore it would reflect using that type of flash.

    I am not sure if I believe this or not...while it may make sense in
    theory,I don't really want to test it in the real world. How about
    daytime traffic light or photoradar...wouldn't that need a lower flash
    level? Does the equipment adjust for ambient light?

    I am tempted to respray and add more product, but don't know if this
    helps or hurts the performance. It does dull the plate, and it looks
    like it is starting to build up. I put 5 or 6 coats on the plate (two
    separate plates 6 each).

    The Photoshield cover works as advertised... the only negative comment I
    would have is that it is not as "undetectable" as stated. You can see
    that there is something "distorting" the plate if you got out of your
    car beheind me, and were walking up to my car (as a cop would do at a
    traffic stop).

    I am unsure if it is truly legal (the plate cover)... while it may be
    technically legal, it might get you hassled for using it.

    I welcome any comments or advice from people who have used it or know
    more about traffic light or stationary photo radar.

    thanks,

    Rich

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    Noozer
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    Re: "stealth" radar installation-MB


    "Rich Williamson" <com> wrote in message
    news:verizon.net... 

    Why not just drive the speed limit like you are supposed to and stop trying
    to rob liquor stores?



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    tech27
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    "Noozer" <here> wrote in message
    news:CA_ad.89774$.. 

    That is the way it's supposed to work (at least with other products). The
    plate remains visible and therefore "legal" when looked at straight on.
    Moving off axis obscures the plate, which is what one would expect from a
    photo radar or intersection camera, which has to be off the center, or at
    least angled down from overhead. 

    Why don't you post answers to questions instead of adding your own (stupid)
    comments. I don't use anything like this for my plates, but I do use a
    radar/laser detector to protect myself from speeding tickets. On our
    highways EVERYONE is driving 10-29 KPH over the limit. If I drove the speed
    limit even in the right hand lane, little old ladies in 1980's Caddy's would
    be passing me and giving me the finger.



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    Dori
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    From the website it looks like you are in US/CA. In the UK modifying with
    the number plate is illegal. However, amazing how many muddy plates there
    were when the congestion charge -- enforced through cameras -- was
    introduced in London.

    DAS
    --
    For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
    ---

    "Rich Williamson" <com> wrote in message
    news:verizon.net... 



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    Rich
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    Re: "stealth" radar installation-MB

    In article <CA_ad.89774$a41.84778@pd7tw2no>,
    "Noozer" <here> wrote:
     

    You are kidding right....

    Traffic here in the Philly area goes 65 in the right lane, 70 in the
    middle lane, and 80 plus in the left one. All this in a 55mph zone.

    Nobody ever goes the speed limit here...it is simply a joke. It is an
    odds thing...if you drive more often, you are more likely to get stopped.

    I see nothing wrong with going 70mph on a clear stretch of turnpike or
    open highway in my Mercedes. The car is built to handle speeds far
    faster than this. It is perfectly safe as long as there are no lights,
    side streets, or animals (not an issue on our highways here. If you
    don't have to weave or ride up on other people why not ride faster...?

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    Rich
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    Re: "stealth" radar installation-MB

    In article <0z5bd.15963$mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net>,
    "tech27" <anonymizer.com> wrote:
     

    Thats the photoshield...

    The spray is the product I have the main question on...it is the product
    that is supposed to reflect flash photo tickets.
     

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    Rich
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    Re: "stealth" radar installation-MB

    In article <0z5bd.15963$mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net>,
    "tech27" <anonymizer.com> wrote:
     


    Here is the company response unedited ... any thoughts on what he says?



    From: "com" <com>
    Subject: RE: problem with spray
    Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 18:18:40 -0400


    Dear: Mr. Williamson

    First and foremost, I sincerely apologize for the length it took to
    respond
    to this e-mail.

    If you decide to take a flash photo of you license plate after it has
    been
    treated, don't be surprised if the plate numbers are still visible. That
    doesn't mean that it won't work. You see a standard camera flash is only
    a
    few watts. The speed camera is setup with a 340watt "melt your eye balls"
    flash unit which isn't designed to read the number plate, but designed to
    pick out your face inside a dark vehicle interior. A standard camera
    flash
    sometimes isn't powerful enough to produce a "white out" effect. The
    correct
    way to test the effectiveness of our products is to use actual
    photo-radar
    equipment. . A personal digital camera is not a photo radar camera.
    First of
    all, the car has to be in motion. I don't know how you will be able to
    take
    an image using you personal camera. Besides, the flash technology used
    will
    not be comparable. The correct way to test the PhotoBlocker spray is
    using a
    photo radar camera. That is exactly what Fox News investigative reporters
    and Denver City Police Department did. As a result PHOTOBLOCKER has
    become
    the best selling anti-photo radar spray product in the world. To watch
    the
    actual investigated reports please go to
    http://www.phantomplate.com/video.html.

    Sincerely
    DAVID GREEN

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    Noozer
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    Re: "stealth" radar installation-MB

    > > > Does anyone have any feedback on the products found at: 
    trying 

    It's called the Law. If you don't like the speed limit, bitch to your
    politicians to change it.

    ....no wonder so many kids can't respect anything - neither can their
    parents.



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    Rich
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    In article <RJvbd.98956$a41.29010@pd7tw2no>,
    "Noozer" <here> wrote:
     

    Your comments don't appear to be grounded in reality. You are either
    very naive or live in a rural area and are retired and have nowhere to
    go on a regular basis.

    Do you actually live in the USA?

    The insurance lobby is far more powerful than the average citizen. They
    have continually lobbied for things like lower speed limits and helmet
    laws.

    The police departments see speeding as a great revenue source... why
    would they change the limits to reflect the speeds that the general
    public wants to drive?

    If they raised the speed limits they would lose a large revenue stream,
    and have nothing to do (thereby having to lower the workforce... what do
    you think the police unions would have to say about that?).

    86% of the drivers on the highway are routinely exceeding the speed
    limit.

    What does this tell you?

    It tells you that the general public wants to drive faster, but "big
    brother" in the form of politicians that are being lobbied by various
    causes (including the insurance lobby) are being coerced into keeping
    the speed limits lower.

    It is purely a statistical situation. The police know we all speed, and
    they write tickets on 1% of the speeders. The tickets do nothing or
    little to change the behavior.

    Those of us who disagree, have no desire (and know it will do no good)
    to launch a personal campaign against the wealthy powerful insurance
    industry and Police unions. instead we choose to use technology to
    fight back.

    You can disagree if you want... that's what makes america such a great
    place.

  10. #10
    Dori
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    In the UK the motorway speed limit is 70 mph (the lowest in western Europe).
    It is said (but never written...) that the police won't stop you below 85
    mph. The long-term casuality rate is down, though nothing to do with the
    speed limit.

    The police are in favour of raising the speed limit to 80 or 85 mph.
    Politicians talk about doing something, but nothing gets done. But now we
    have had speed cameras run wild, not just in accident blackspots, together
    with automatic tickets sent throught the post.

    Result: huge increase in traffic offenders, speeding tickets issued and
    REVENUE...

    Already some speed cameras are being illegally removed or defaced because
    they clearly play no role in making the roads safer.

    From my own experience I can tell you that where there are no cameras the
    'natural' speed of traffic is 80 - 85 mph, though I have been
    bumper-to-bumper on a fully loaded motorway at 90 mph which, I concede, is
    a touch hair-raising. On an empty road I have no trouble exceeding 100 mph
    safely, though rarely in the UK.

    Once I was stopped by the police at 100.6 mph. It was a fine, dry sunny
    evening in summer. There were two policeman in their vehicle. The older
    one was ready to let me go with a caution, readily admitting that the road
    conditions were safe and that there had been no danger to anybody.
    (Unfortunately the younger one was keen to pursue the matter, so I wound up
    with a courtcase, a fine of about USD 150 - 200 and some points on my
    licence, which was quite mild, considering. I suppose it would have been
    worse at 101.0+ mph.)

    The point is that low speed limits, perhaps enacted in another age or
    special circumstances, make the law an ass. Or a revenue earner.

    DAS
    --
    For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
    ---

    "Rich Williamson" <com> wrote in message
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