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Ferrari: say it ain't so, Phil??

  1. #1
    MC
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    say it ain't so, Phil??

    You and Mark might have to unite in a little municipal terrorism ....
    though I admit to watching the last couple NeckCAR races with some
    enthusiasm (still a Jeff Gordon fan ....)

    from today's LA Times:

    THE NATION

    NASCAR Looks to Get on Track in New York

    The sport seeks a Staten Island site, but many officials in the Big
    Apple aren't sweet on the idea.

    By Elizabeth Jensen
    Times Staff Writer

    December 5, 2004

    NEW YORK — The symbolism wasn't even subtle as already holiday-choked
    midtown Manhattan traffic ground to a halt for blocks so that NASCAR
    race cars could parade up Madison Avenue, the real and mythical road
    that leads to American advertising dollars.

    Logo-covered cars were everywhere in the city last week, and their
    drivers were spotted out and about in the city, in contrast to the
    sport's normal racing season, when local fans have to travel hours to
    Dover, Del., or Pennsylvania's Poconos to see their idols.

    Although the song lyrics promise you can "make it anywhere" by
    conquering New York, NASCAR has the opposite problem. In recent years,
    sport officials have succeeded in distancing NASCAR from its
    moonshine-running roots in the rural southeast, transforming it into a
    fast-growing marketing vehicle with plenty of big-city presence
    nationwide, but there is one glittering prize that still eludes them:
    New York.

    Even having uber-New Yorker Donald Trump kick off the Thursday "Victory
    Lap," as NASCAR dubbed it, and an advertising blitz on hot dog umbrella
    stands, coffee cups and street signs couldn't compensate for what those
    involved with the sport really want: A local racetrack.

    Officials of International Speedway Corp., a Daytona Beach, Fla.,
    company that owns and operates many of the sports' tracks, dream of an
    80,000-seat home in one of the city's five boroughs with a view of the
    Manhattan skyline as a backdrop — a criteria for sites they considered.

    They settled on a 675-acre site on Staten Island, and took the first
    official step last week by filing paperwork "to begin the process for
    land use approvals," said John Graham, vice president of business
    affairs for the International Speedway. It would be at least 2009 before
    the track would open, he said.

    Some of New York's more traditional sports have similar grand plans.

    Sharply worded ads for and against a new 75,000-seat West Side Manhattan
    stadium for the New York Jets, who now play in New Jersey, air on local
    TV stations. The New Jersey Nets basketball team is eyeing a 19,000-seat
    Brooklyn home. And Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg jetted off to Croatia on
    Friday to make a personal sales pitch for New York's bid to host the
    2012 Summer Olympic games.

    Many elected officials, including Bloomberg, have been lukewarm to
    International Speedway's track idea, questioning whether the traffic
    congestion it would cause on race days is a good trade-off for the
    thousands of jobs company officials say would be created.

    Bloomberg said at a community meeting in September that he was skeptical
    that auto racing would be a good fit for Staten Island. His spokesman
    didn't return calls for comment.

    "There's going to be opposition, as there is to any large development,"
    said Brian France, chairman of NASCAR and whose family founded the
    sport. "You just have to work through the issues."

    Friday night in front of the posh Waldorf-Astoria hotel, where NASCAR's
    annual awards banquet was about to start, fans with autograph books
    ogled 2004 NASCAR Nextel Cup winner Kurt Busch's blue Ford Taurus as
    other New Yorkers barely broke stride.

    "That's a racing car, yeah," a man said to a woman as they brushed past,
    holding hands. A family of tourists ignored the car to pose for a
    picture with the hotel awning.

    But NASCAR does have a New York fan base; about 3.4 million homes in the
    New York-New Jersey-Connecticut area tuned in to February's Daytona 500
    race broadcast on Fox, Graham noted, and NBC's new "Nightly News" anchor
    Brian Williams is a fan.

    Still, although TV ratings for NASCAR have soared overall in recent
    years, "the ratings in New York are quite a bit lower than the national
    average," said Mark Schweitzer, senior vice president of marketing at
    Nextel Communications Inc., the wireless phone company that paid a
    reported $750 million over 10 years to take over title sponsorship of
    the sport this year from Winston, the cigarette brand.

    "Our experience has been that people are much more likely to become fans
    who will tune in if they have actually experienced a race," Schweitzer said.

    NASCAR officials also want a physical presence in the city for the
    access it would mean to one very coveted subset of area residents: big
    company executives who control the marketing dollars that make the cars
    go round.

    "We're heavily dependent on Fortune 500 companies to invest in the
    sport, and more are located in the New York area than anywhere," France
    said. "It's the largest area for density of population, it's the No. 1
    media market, it's the No. 1 business market and the No. 1 consumer market."

    A push into New York and other urban areas risks alienating longtime
    fans. Although admiring the France family's business instincts and its
    opinion that the sport would do well in New York, NBC's Williams noted
    the dangers in the recent closing of some longtime southern tracks,
    saying "that old expression comes to mind: 'Go with who brung you to the
    dance.' "

    And even New York fans have felt a change as the sport's popularity has
    grown.

    Dan Brown, 37, a residential tree cutter, and his 13-year-old son Daniel
    traveled from Toms River, N.J., on Friday night to catch sight of the
    drivers at the Waldorf-Astoria. Longtime fans, they had come to the city
    three other days during the week for NASCAR events. He said that a
    decade ago, when the sport was less well known, he could chat with his
    favorite drivers.

    "Now they're rushing them right in" to the black tie event, Brown said
    of the drivers' growing celebrity standing.

    Daniel had his own complaint. He waited in line a couple of hours
    Thursday for autographs from drivers Kasey Kahne, Ryan Newman and Jamie
    McMurray only to see them pack up and leave just as he got to the front
    of the line. "I was flippin' out on the guy" organizing the autographs,
    Daniel said of his disappointment.

    As a consolation, organizers hooked Daniel up with another driver,
    Martin Truex, who autograph his jacket.
    --
    You tell 'em I'M COMING! And HELL'S COMING WITH ME! You hear? HELL'S
    COMING WITH ME!!

  2. #2
    matt
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    Re: say it ain't so, Phil??


    "MC" <net> wrote in message
     


    They certainly have good taste...




    -Matt- "If you have the means, I highly recommend it." Ferris Bueller



  3. #3
    Harold
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    Re: say it ain't so, Phil??

    On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 20:37:24 GMT, MC <net> wrote: 

    If they build it they might include an F1-level infield road circuit,
    a la Indy, and the Big Apple Grand Prix might finally come to
    fruition.

    ....It be worth the redneck circle-jerk.



  4. #4
    Harold
    Guest

    Re: say it ain't so, Phil??

    On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 22:45:31 GMT, "matt borland"
    <rr.com> wrote: 

    ....Probably the first and last time "NASCAR" and "good taste" ever
    shared any conceptual proximity, of any kind.


  5. #5
    Harold
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    Re: say it ain't so, Phil??

    On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 20:37:24 GMT, MC <net> wrote: 

    If they build it they might include an F1-level infield road circuit,
    a la Indy, and the Big Apple Grand Prix might finally come to
    fruition.

    ....It would be worth the ignominy of a local redneck circle-jerk.


  6. #6
    MC
    Guest

    Re: say it ain't so, Phil??

    Harold Adrain Russell Philby wrote:
     

    Never been to a circle-jerk I didn't like ...

    MC

    --
    You tell 'em I'M COMING! And HELL'S COMING WITH ME! You hear? HELL'S
    COMING WITH ME!!

  7. #7
    matt
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    Re: say it ain't so, Phil??


    "MC" <net> wrote in message
    news:afVtd.5919$news.pas.earthlink.net... 


    The Circle Jerks, now THAT was a band.



    -Matt- "We all gotta duck when the shit hits the fan."



  8. #8
    MC
    Guest

    Re: say it ain't so, Phil??

    matt borland wrote: 

    SI! Saw 'em at the Inland Invasion in San Bernardino a couple years
    ago. They're still cooking, Matt. I think they'll still be cooking
    even when they're all in wheelchairs. Punk never dies.

    M

    --
    "Garcon!! More lithium!"

  9. #9
    TigerRace1
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    Re: say it ain't so, Phil??

    << I think they'll still be cooking even when they're all in wheelchairs.>>

    Hmm...

    C.

  10. #10
    matt
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    Re: say it ain't so, Phil??


    "TigerRace1" <com> wrote in message
    news:aol.com... 
    wheelchairs.>> 


    Owned.



    -Matt- "Poor guy has athlete's tooth."




 

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