Formula 1: Ron Dennis blames Rubens for crash????

£ngelkott <com> wrote in
news:com:
 

He said "initiated" not caused and he went on to say that he considered it
a racing incident. IMO he was very fair minded about it, basically
considered it bad luck. Not that I'd agree...

--
Phil

Dodge this.

In message <com>, £ngelkott
<com> writes 

Rubens did make a poor start.

I have no idea what Ralf thought he was playing at dropping back
alongside Rubens; but if it hadn't been for Rubens' poor start, Kimi
would not have been up alongside him.
 

My take on it is that Rubens' poor start was the initial trigger, but
was not culpable. Ralf then squeezed Rubens completely pointlessly,
forcing him into Kimi. It was a joint effort, Rubens simply through not
making as good a start as he would have hoped, Ralf through a dickhead
manoeuvre.
--
Richard Miller

You contradict yourself, you say Rubens didn`t make a poor start but then go
on to explain the reason why he did...?

I think both Ferraris made bad starts ( habbit at Germany ) and by that i
mean if you loose a place when the lights go green it`s hardly a good
start...?



"Richard Miller" <demon.co.uk> wrote in message
newsZAW7pi5qXL$demon.co.uk... 

I agree with Ron Dennis, though it pains me to say it...... It was a
racing incident and no more.

I've watched in in slow motion (God bless TIVO) multiple times. It's as
clear as me most prominent proboscis. Rubens fucked up. He was in the
position to clearly see all players and he was the one trying to fit in the
middle. Kimi R had the jump and Ralf had the right to select his line.
No way Ralf could be expected to surrender the corner to a car behind his
rear wheel. A car beside you gets room..... a car behind you gets
squat.

Rubens should've backed out of the squeeze because he just plain didn't
have position. Just a tap on the ol' brake and slide into position behind
Ralf and it never would've happened.

I believe the stewards are full of crappe to impose a penalty of this
magnitude on a WDC contender over what was nothing more than racing contact.
Ralf should contest this.

I'm starting to believe the guys claiming Ferrari unfairly influences the
calls.

JD

In article <eRfXa.56747$Ho3.8633@sccrnsc03>, net says... 

Boy are you full of shit..

My take is that there is very little blame to be apportioned to any
drivers, largely a 'racing incident'.

Kimi (in hindsight) should perhaps not have moved on Rubens until he had
cleared him. Kimi *knew* Rubens was there and could see Ralf coming
over. He was in the best position of any of the three to avoid the
incident. Rubens simply had two guys do a pincer movement on him before
he could respond.

--
CatharticF1

"Memory is a stranger,
History is for fools"

On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 20:58:05 +0000 (UTC), Phil Newnham
<com> wrote:
 

Wait a minute, wait a minute!!!!

IF Rubens had a bad start, and Ralf started ahead of him on a
staggered grid...


JUST HOW THE HELL did Ralf hit him????

Rubens would need to have a better start than Ralf for Ralf to be able
to a side-to-side contact with him...

Looks like Dennis is being a shithead too...

qaz <q@a.z> wrote in news:com:


 

I'm noting a distinct lack of 'Juan Pinball'
posts this weekend ...



Chris Story

On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 22:12:25 +0100, Richard Miller
<demon.co.uk> wrote:
 

He was more interested in making sideways, albeit fairly slow sunday
afternoon drunkish - progression than forward progression. Therefore
the cars intent on going straight forward managed to catch him, even
though Rubens did start half a step behind.
 

Defending his line according to him. What a maroon. If he had put
his foot down and simply driven straight he would have been
comfortably second at the corner.
 

David