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Ferrari: rich bastards with nice cars

  1. #1
    The
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    rich bastards with nice cars

    Actually I have nothing against that, it just sounded snappy.

    I was looking at the new issue of R&T (July). They have a very
    interesting article on a new "baby Ferrari" that Ferrari is thinking of
    producing; they would supposedly be calling it the Dino, or maybe the
    California. They'd take the engine from the second-generation Maserati
    Coupe; the car would have at least 400 hp. (It's on page 21, if you
    have or can access issue.)

    The problem, as I imagine Enzo underground spinning every which way, is
    the body styling. From the C pillar forward the car looks like that
    Chevrolet "SS" concept, which in itself wasn't too bad but this is not
    good. The headlight design is Corvette-ish, with a curved "smiley"
    grille and "horizontal tear drop" intakes beneath it. R&T has the nerve
    to say "the rear view is evocative of the famous Daytona". Evocative?
    Give me some Pepto - it looks like they miniaturized an Enzo rear fascia
    and stuffed it on there.

    I tried to find the pictures that were featured in the R&T issue, but I
    couldn't; don't know how they got 'em since nobody else has 'em that I
    can see. But Italiaspeed has an article and a concept drawing.

    http://www.italiaspeed.com/2005/cars/ferrari/05/dino/0405.html

    Much, much nicer is the Ralph Lauren Collection gallery viewable on
    R&T's web site (only). I believe the collection is on display at the
    Boston Museum. In particular there is one car, a '61 Ferrari Testa
    Rossa TRI-61 - I guess in a way it's similar to the '62 model that I was
    drooling over recently, down to the funky-looking body, and in this case
    I again think it's AWESOME.

    If you must see the issue I'm sure it's still available; I just got it a
    couple days ago.

    MC

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    To face your fears, retrace the years
    And ride the whims of your mind
    Commanding in another world
    Suddenly, you hear and see
    This magic new dimension


  2. #2
    Paul
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    Re: rich bastards with nice cars

    "The Dream" <iwalkthe@thinlineforyou> wrote
     

    I like it.

    But I'm confused. A 'Dino' ?. This is (according to rumour) going to have a
    Maser engine - no? then it's not a Ferrari. And if it's not a Ferrari, will
    anyone pay £80,000 *not* to own a Ferrari? I just don't get the marketing.

    Would sir like a) a 'not quite' a Ferrari, for £80,000 or
    b) a 'used'* real Ferrari?

    hmmmm... tough choice (NOT).

    T308, kindly put my mind at rest with an historical rationale
    for said 'Dino'

    -MCPD
    * £80K gets you a 360 that's been driven the five miles
    to the golf club... ooooh, must've been what, *twice* last year?

    Oh, no there was Wentworth's party - we drove it nearly a mile from our
    gated compound to theirs, remember?

    (Gretchen's uber-rich relatives actually have an uber-rich friend named
    'Wentworth'. Over here, it's a golf course)



  3. #3
    F2005...
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    Re: rich bastards with nice cars

    On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 07:43:24 GMT, "Paul Duffin"
    <com> wrote: 

    ....Do try to keep up "Bond".

    The Maserati 4.2 V-8 was designed, engineered, and manufactured by
    Ferrari. It's block sits in every 430 Modena.
     

    Your premise is fatally flawed
     

    People buying new Ferrarii don't know jack from "real Ferrarii".

    Ignorant rich bastards with nice cars they don't comprehend.
     

    V-6 and V-8 Ferrarii have been called Dino since the mid to late 50s.

    ....As a memorium to Enzo's son.


  4. #4
    Paul
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    Re: rich bastards with nice cars


    "F2005..." <com> wrote
     

    Ah-ha! That clarifies matters greatly, thank you.
    But if the press keep referring to it as a 'Maserati engine' it won't help
    (or perhaps I should have said "won't help eejits like me"...
    but then, since I'm not exactly the target market, I doubt the marketing
    people in Maranello will lose much sleep over that).
     

    That I knew. My query was on the basis of the false assumption above .

    Now, to carry this remarkably rare 'on topic' thread forward, here's
    another question for the cogniscenti:

    Enzo claimed (I have read) that his son was an active and talented
    contributor to his engine design team, and thus awarding the designation
    'Dino' to the 6 (and then 8) cylinder cars was a fitting tribute to his
    skills.

    Is this the truth, or a romantic re-working of the facts by a loving father?


    -Paul



  5. #5
    The
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    Re: rich bastards with nice cars

    Paul Duffin wrote: 
    I believe that is true, I'm sure Mark or T will know for sure. Dino was
    being groomed to succeed Enzo - but there were also supposedly some
    rough edges between Enzo, Dino, and wife/mother, respectively. However,
    I'm pretty sure Dino was very instrumental in developing Ferrari engines
    in the 60s. Of course, I could be wrong - I can't even find shit on my
    hard drive that I downloaded. (I love Linux ... but does it love me?)

    M

    --
    It's a place where you will learn
    To face your fears, retrace the years
    And ride the whims of your mind
    Commanding in another world
    Suddenly, you hear and see
    This magic new dimension


  6. #6
    F2005...
    Guest

    Re: rich bastards with nice cars

    On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 11:00:52 -0700, The Dream
    <iwalkthe@thinlineforyou> wrote: 

    I believe the latter. He was involved, but very ill, and Vittorio
    Jano wasn't just sitting at his bedside taking notes, ffs.
     

    Alfredo "Dino" Ferrari died in June 1956 of complications due to MS,
    the 1.5liter V-6 was first run in November-December of that year.



  7. #7
    F2005...
    Guest

    Re: rich bastards with nice cars

    On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 16:57:22 GMT, "Paul Duffin"
    <com> wrote: 

    Anyone who thinks the Maserati 4.2 and the Ferrari 4.3 are the same
    doesn't know jack about engines.

    Again, all they share is the block. The cranks, firing order,
    reciprocating bits, and heads are all distinct.

    Having said that, I think rebadging "the next Maserati coupe" with
    cavallini to capture yet another segment of poseur is a very poor
    idea. A mid-engined V-6 in the model of the original Dino would be
    much better, if not nearly as idiot-proof.

    ....But they would have to price that in the low 100k's and the Dino
    California (yet another desecration of historic Ferrari model names)
    can be flogged for 150-175k.

    If their goal is to extract every €0.01 from the brand with absolutely
    no regard of the dignity and history, nor respect, of the marque, the
    numbers make the decision for them.




 

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