Formula 1: Ralf, Kimi, Rubens

In article <optusnet.com.au>,
com.au (Frank or is it Jackie ?) wrote:
 

Ralf knows the hottest driver in F1 is currently Rubens. He hacked
Rubens and hoped he would get away with it.

On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 23:46:14 GMT, com.au (Frank or is
it Jackie ?) wrote:
 
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Your argument would be more persuasive if Rubens had not hit Kimi's
rear wheel with his front. Rubens was squeezed, but Kimi should not
have to leave the track to make for Ralf's bone headed move. He was
farther ahead than the other two.

You have a good point about Kimi's championship moves, but I will take
his aggressive driving any day over someone who holds back just to
rake in guaranteed points.

BTW, Ralf was 100.2757 % wrong, give or take a few points ;-)

jim

 

On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 00:13:53 GMT, The One <com> wrote:
 
You're not suggesting that Ralf has been taking lessons from his
brother ?

--

Regards, Frank

In article <optusnet.com.au>,
com.au says... 

OK, my thoughts after seeing it 20 times and not reading this NG are
that was not worthy of action and finger pointing:

1. Ralf was in front when he began to move, and moved slowly to the
racing line for the corner. I expect the only car he could see when he
began the move was Rubens, who was clearly behind him. Perhaps he could
have taken a more shallow line into the corner, but I expect he was
guarding against Rubens getting a better run and taking a pass at him at
the end of that next straight.

2. Rubens was the only clearly innocent party imo. He did apparently
brake - but too late and was just left with nowhere to go, when you're
the slower car falling back, all you can do is hold your line and brake
if it gets too hot.

3. Kimi certainly placed himself in a position of potential (and as it
turned out actual) risk. He was in a position (behind) to see the
Williams moving across when it began, but perhaps thought Ralf wouldn't
take the normal line, but a shallower one. Ultimately those things
usually work out though, so unlucky.

Whole thing's a pity really.

--
CatharticF1

"Memory is a stranger,
History is for fools"

Ah...finally an intelligent point about the whole thing.

Ralf did what any racer would do ...yes, if your nose is up in front you
squeeze people in or out. It's called racing, you don't do it and you never
win anything. Kimi was the only one who had the whole picture of the
situation in front of him, and he did nothing to avoid the collision.
Obviously people who want to hang Ralf never raced before. This is one of
the things that you won't read in the papers, but Kimi just lost a lot of
respect among his peers and showed everyone that he is still a kid and not a
serious contender.

And another thing that hurts F1 in situations like this is the lack of
professional stewards in F1 races, many drivers in F1 are asking for it.
Ralf should never be penalized


"Frank or is it Jackie ?" <com.au> wrote in message
newsptusnet.com.au... 

in article optus.net.au, CatharticF1 at
net wrote on 8/3/03 8:41 PM:
 

If you have seen it 20 times then why do you think that
Kimi could see Ralf? Kimi was even with Rubens within
100 meters, and was even with Ralf ahead of Rubens before
the collision. Any 'behind' association with Kimi was gone
before you could say the word.

On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 07:25:35 GMT, CatharticF1 <net>
wrote:
 
And that's a good point too. Another thing that gets forgotten too
often around here is that the slow motion shots are only on TV. This
thing happened very fast and to expect anyone to make a solid well
thought out decision about a move let alone all it's possible
consequences, while hurtling off the start line is just a bit
optimistic.. Perhaps if it was Fisher and Spaskij<sp?> racing ? :-)

ps: No, i didn't cross. Still don't like Ralf, and still don't think
he deserves to be in F1, but these "in your face" arguments from
armchair critics are getting more and more laughable by each mishap.

--

Regards, Frank

On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 07:25:35 GMT, CatharticF1 <net>
wrote:
 

And I knew you'd throw in the "it's the tyres" dig.

It's not just the tyres. They're playing their part but it is much
more than that. You only need to look at the difference between
Williams and McLaren. They were pretty even on pace at the beginning
of the year (both obviously on Michelins) with the Macs maybe even
slightly ahead.

While Michelin have done a great job improving the tyres, there is no
doubt that Williams have made major steps in Aero and if they are not
matching Ferrari in their chassis, they are goddamn close. Since these
improvements, the drivers have been very consistant and fast too. 6
consecutive podiums including 2 wins is a great performance and if JPM
can keep it up over the remaining 4 races, he will be a worthy WDC.


Youngy
Montoya/Williams 2003 WDC