Formula 1: Ralf, Kimi, Rubens

In article <9CmXa.15$news.prodigy.com>,
net says... 

....Kimi was already parallel to Rubens while Ralf was in the middle of
the track...Kimi's speed was faster then Ralf and he would have had good
position on him by the corner...the only person that could have reacted
to avoid a collision was Rubens, and I am surprised that he didnt hit
the brake (and yes he had space cause a Toyota was at leas 4 car lengths
behind him) and slid behind Ralf, given all the F1 experience he
has...as far as Kimi losing respect...LOL...theory that the Kimi was
driving outside the track or had anything to do with the accident is a
complete bullshit...go to www.ukf1.net for great angles...there is no
way that a half a wheel on the white line and the other inside the track
could be considered driving on the grass...just an excuse for Kimi
haters to deny his great move...
 

he is lucky that is all he got...especially after his post race comments

 

CatharticF1 said the following on 8/4/2003 12:06 PM:

<snip>
 

Having just watched the start again a few times there are a couple of
issues to note:

1. The Ferraris get off the line ok, but seem to bog down around when
the change gear I'd guess.
2. Kimi makes the 2nd best start.
3. Alonso makes the best start, and actually performs a chop right
across MS.
4. Rubens had space enough to ease off the throttle a touch.
5. Ralf was blind to the fact that Trulli would have had a go up the
inside into turn 1, using the half a track that was on that line.
6. Kimi was going to have fun going around Rubens the long way - RB was
dropping places rapidly, and it would have cost Kimi too (MS + FA).
7. The lead Toyota would probably have had a go to pass MS into turn 1.

I have to agree with Ron (who you seem to be agreeing with!): Racing
incident, bought on by Rubens bogging down and Ralf's drift across the
track. If you are going to blame someone, then Ralf would be the one for
instigating the incident. Rubens *could* take some blame for not easing
off to avoid the incident - but there's no way he should be expected to.
Having thought about it though, hitting another car with you own isn't
great driving by any means...

Cheers
Graham

Cheers
Graham

--
Heatwave!

Frank or is it Jackie ? wrote: 

He didn't - it was Kimi that did that.
--
John Briggs

Impossibly youngy <com> managed to spew forth a pile of
crap that went along the lines of:
 
Kimi. 
reliability 
are 

True dat... what happened to hot-headed Juan Pinball Montoilet? <giggle>

He's maturing really well... and in only his third year of F1 too...
it's been a quicker apprenticeship for him than it was for his team-
mate, hasn't it.

--
Cheers,

Matt Pope

Frank or is it Jackie ? wrote: 

After watching the overhead shot on slow motion a dozen or so times I
disagree. When Kimi starting overtaking Rubens there was a full car's
width of track.
 

He was driving almost a straight line at that point, so traction and
cold tires is mute, and come on there's no dirt a foot outside of the
line. When hit Kimi was nearly clear of Rubens.


Into a 

Really, MS was beyond the line a full car's width when passing Truli and
flatted as a result. Is he a brainless hot head or a winner of crowns?

Driver's make the same decisions when fortune is on their side their
brilliant when it's not their dunces.

Cheers-
Ed

On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 02:59:57 GMT, com.au (Frank or is
it Jackie ?) wrote:
 
 

He can be inspired sometimes, but not to the point of a pass. To think
I used to like Prost for the same qualities.
 

Well, you have me there! Foiled by my own calculated error ;-D

jim

F1F_spa wrote: 

He was in front of Ruebens, did you get a chance to watch the race?

and he did nothing to avoid the collision. 

So you hang out with Kimi's peers, how do you know what they think?
2nd place in the WDC is not serious? Jeez, it was a racing incident.

CatharticF1 <net> did this: 
 

That depends on what you mean by "it". The crash certainly happened
behind him. Barrichello's front tyres were on par with Räikkönen's
back tyres when Ralf Schumacher drove into Barrichello. Ralf and
Räikkönen were pretty much level at that point.
 

Räikkönen would have had to be clairvoyant to know that Ralf would
decide to crash into Barrichello. I've taken some screen captures from
the link someone posted:

http://www.btinternet.com/~aaron.edwards83/vids/Hockenheim_03_Start_Crash_Replay_1.mpg

....and now I'm going to use them as a visual aid to explain the course
of events. Here's the situation when Räikkönen has just decided to go
to Barrichello's left:

http://htklx2.htk.fi/~asik/pictures/kr_starts_to_pass_rb.jpg

In the beginning it seems like a smart enough move; there are three
cars to the right, and plenty of room on Barrichello's left hand side:

http://htklx2.htk.fi/~asik/pictures/kr_has_room.jpg

Räikkönen is pulling level with Barrichello, who starts to move to the
left, leaving Räikkönen very little room - Kimi's left tyres are soon
on the white line. Luckily Ralf Schumacher is way to the right, so a
crash looks unlikely.

Then things start to go wrong. Ralf Schumacher decides to go left:

http://htklx2.htk.fi/~asik/pictures/rs_decides_to_go_left.jpg

As you can see, there are two cars there already. However, as the man
says, you can't think about stuff like that. (Why is that, anyway? Is
it against his religion? Or is it physically impossible for him?)

Barrichello tries to slow down, but it's too late. Entirely
predictably, Ralf hits him:

http://htklx2.htk.fi/~asik/pictures/rs_hits_rb.jpg

Maybe Barrichello could have avoided the crash had he started to drop
back earlier, but he really isn't under any obligation to make way for
Lil' Schumi. Furthermore, how was he to know that Ralf wasn't thinking
about what people around him were doing?

Barrichello hits Räikkönen (who has gone straight as an arrow during
the time span covered by the previous two pictures), and Räikkönen's
car turns to the right:

http://htklx2.htk.fi/~asik/pictures/rb_hits_kr.jpg

Räikkönen spins, and while spinning hits Ralf. All three retire from
the race. The end.
 

There were no signs that Ralf was about to go left before Ralf
actually started to go left. At that time, Barrichello was in the best
position to react - he was next to Ralf, who was ahead and to the
right from Rubens - but even he couldn't avoid Ralf. I really don't
see what Räikkönen could have done.
 

I do. Maybe next time Ralf will overcome his limitations and actually
think about what people around him are doing.

--
Ari <at>
Besides, it's so easy to apportion.