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Garmin GPS: Querky Laptop with GPS Attached

  1. #1
    tallen
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    Querky Laptop with GPS Attached

    Hi guys,

    Just got back from bringing a couple of boats up from Ft. Lauderdale. I
    use a Dell laptop with Mapsource Blue Charts, and secondarily, SeaClear
    with NOAA rasters for backup navigation attached to a Garmin Etrex Vista
    with Belkin USB serial adapter. Frequently, not all the time but maybe
    75 percent of the time I boot up WITH the adapter in the USB port I get
    these funky reactions.

    1. The cursor will not track smoothly with my finger on the touch pad.
    It won't track all the way across the screen. It randomly selects icons
    on the desktop and sometimes menu boxes appear as if I hit the right
    mouse (touchpad) key.

    2. I can not connect to the GPS through Mapsource....it does not see the
    ACTIVE tracking. BUT I can download/upload routes etc. from the GPS.

    3. When I activate tracking on SeaClear, it says it can not find com
    port 4...which is the port I use when working properly

    I can download images from my digital camera though. AND with nothing
    connected to the USB ports, cursor movement with my finger on the
    touchpad or with a wired mouse work OK. Also, the other 25 percent of
    the time I boot, everything works OK.

    From what I can figure, the USB ports will allow serial communication
    when the activity is static. I.E. it is not issuing commands to the
    cursor. So I can get downloads and uploads of pictures, routes, tracks,
    and maps. But, if the USB ports are used for activities that command
    the cursor to move as is the case when it is supposed to be a moving
    boat on the chart, if gets confused or refuses to recognize the commands.

    This is a new problem, it started about a month ago. I've used this
    setup for three years now without any prior issues. Anybody experience
    this before? Anybody know what to troubleshoot first?

    Thanks in advance.

    T



  2. #2
    Capt.
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    Re: Querky Laptop with GPS Attached

    Ahoy,
    I frequently would get a similar reaction with my Gateway 450 laptop and my
    Garmin 12 GPS if I booted up with the GPS already attached to the serial
    port. If I first boot the OS and then open any program that looks for and
    recognizes a GPS, such as Fugawi Marine ENC or MS Streets & Trips or
    Garmin's Mapsource, and then connect the serial connector there is not a
    problem from the laptop. I think my problem came from the OS, Microsoft XP,
    not knowing what to do with a GPS on the other end of the serial port and
    trying to load a driver for some sort of other input device, like a mouse or
    scanner or something. With a program that recognizes a GPS there is a driver
    within the program that interprets the input signals properly. Hope this
    helps.
    --
    Capt. Brigg Franklin, s/v Wand'rin Star
    USCG Licensed Marine Officer
    US Power Squadron Instructor
    ASA Certified Sailing Instructor
    Vessel Delivery & Training
    www.northstarsailing.org
    N 45° 40.933' W° 122 34.948'

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  3. #3
    Jack
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    Re: Querky Laptop with GPS Attached

    tallen wrote: 
    <snip>

    That sounds like a variation on the classic issue of the operating
    system seeing a GPS on a COM port as a mouse. This link details the
    simplest solution:

    http://www.beaglesoft.com/stsytroublemouse.htm

    You basically need to disable the serial mouse on the port the GPS is
    connected to (usually on COM1 or COM2) and do a restart.

    I'm not sure if all the problem you mentioned are associated with the
    above, but I'd try to clear up the above issue and then see if the other
    issues still exist.

    Anything that sends a NMEA data string to your laptop via a USB port has
    to be using a serial to USB bridge. When the drivers for a serial to
    USB bridge are installed, a virtual COM port is created. There will be
    one COM port for each serial to USB bridge and sometimes, if you have
    several of those, there can be some confusion or issues in getting all
    the applications reading or using the correct COM port.

    If you start you laptop with nothing connected to USB ports, open the
    Device Manager, and look at the Ports COM & LPT category, you can see
    what ports are in use. Then start plugging in your USB devices one at a
    time and noting the resulting COM port and configure the application to
    use that COM port. Only one application at a time can use a COM port,
    they cannot be shared.

    Also, you may need to look at what mode the NMEA port is in on your
    eTrex. SeaClear II needs a NMEA protocol data stream (as far as I know
    anyway) and your eTrex might be in the mode where it is putting out the
    Garmin protocol NMEA.

    If you're trying to track in a MapSource application on the laptop and
    that wants the NMEA data to be in the Garmin protocol, then you may
    have to change NMEA modes on the eTrex when you change applications.

    If you try to change the application that is using a given COM port
    (like to change from SeaClear to MapSource), you need to make sure that
    port has been released by the old application. If you close an
    application using, as an example, COM2 and the next application reports
    COM2 as in use or not available, you may need to do a restart on the
    laptop to set the port free.

    Jack

    --
    Jack Erbes in Ellsworth, Maine, USA (jackerbes at adelphia dot net)
    (also receiving email at jacker at midmaine dot com)

  4. #4
    tallen
    Guest

    Re: Querky Laptop with GPS Attached

    Thanks Guys! I will try out each of the suggestions later today and let
    you know the outcome.

    T


  5. #5
    Richard
    Guest

    Re: Querky Laptop with GPS Attached

    Check in the Device Manager if there is a Serial Mouse listed and delete
    it.

    For some reason Windows sees GPS data on a serial port (RS232 or via a
    USB adapter) as a mouse and installs a serial mouse. Delete that and the
    funkiness should go away until Windows reinstalls the serial mouse.
    Windows should ask you first if you want to install it when it "finds"
    it, so just pull a Nancy and just say no.

    This has happened to me on several different laptops, don't feel
    slighted.


    In article <11Feg.731$nyroc.rr.com>,
    tallen <rr.com> wrote:
     

  6. #6
    Jack
    Guest

    Re: Querky Laptop with GPS Attached

    Richard Carlson, N9JIG wrote:
     
    <snip>

    Usually you want to disable it, not delete it. If you disable it it
    keeps the OS from making the same mistake on subsequent startups.

    Jack

    --
    Jack Erbes in Ellsworth, Maine, USA - jackerbes at adelphia dot net
    (also receiving email at jacker at midmaine.com)

  7. #7
    topsail
    Guest

    Re: Querky Laptop with GPS Attached

    I have a new (April 2006) DELL XPS and had the same problem with the
    cursor showing it had a mind of it's own. I finally just went into the
    configuration program and disabled the touch to execute function on the
    mousepad and made it so I could only execute a command by <L>eft
    clicking on the proper button. The mousepad still functions normally
    and you can move the cursor with your finger... you just can't tap to
    execute.

    I think the whole problem is, the mousepad is just too sensitive
    because the XPS is so blazingly fast.

    Mike

    tallen wrote: 


  8. #8
    tallen
    Guest

    Re: Querky Laptop with GPS Attached

    I have been troubleshooting this for some days now and it looks like
    there are two issues involved. First, the jumpy mouse. As you all
    suggested, the issue with the device manager thinking the USB adapter is
    a mouse and the NMEA data stream is instructions to move the mouse is
    correct. All my tests found that it was necessary to...

    1. Boot the PC
    2. Boot the application
    3. Connect the USB adapter
    4. Activate the GPS

    ....to consistently eliminate the jumpy cursor. The device manager
    indicates that I have disabled the imaginary serial mouse so I might
    play with having the USB connected prior to boot when I get the
    time. Thanks for everyone's assistance.

    But for now there is the other issue that needs a solution. My
    Mapsource 6.5 still will not recognize the NMEA signals. Passive
    upload/downloads to the GPS work but not NMEA or Garmin data streams.
    At the possibility of repeatition, I plan on sending out another
    newsgroup request regarding this. But to describe....

    SeaClear will track my gps, Mapsource won't. BUT, surprise, I forgot
    that I have nRoute v2.4 installed too. (A program that I have not
    warmed up to and probably won't...very funky interface re: developing
    routes...SeaClear and Mapsource have this function won hands down. Not
    sure what Garmin was thinking when they aborted real-time tracking after
    Mapsource v 6.5 ). Anyway, nRoute will accept my Gps realtime signals
    too!

    To sum this up....

    Mapsouce - will not track realtime
    SeaClearII - tracks realtime
    nRoute - tracks realtime

    So, I'm now wondering if my installation of nRoute v2.4 which does
    realtime tracking set up some funky USB driver that corrupted or
    purposely aborted the capability to track realtime in Mapsource. Given
    that, I went to uninstall nRoute and found there is no uninstall
    instructions, no builtin uninstall feature and it is not listed in Add
    Remove Programs in the Control Panel. Can you imagine that!. I don't
    have a clue on how to get that application off my laptop. Any
    suggestions???

    Thanks for all your input todate.

    Capt T



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