Ford Mustang: Pre-engineering 101

Simon Juncal wrote: 

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Your off to a bad start. For some reason (that I can't explain), the
term "Engineer" increasingly means a computer software writer. I was
complaining about a problem with Google Adwords to a tech who demanded,
"Are you an Engineer?!" Confused, I say "Yes." This took her aback.
It was only later that I realized that she was asking if I wrote code.

Where is the "engine" for this type of "Engineer"? I worked with an old
Engineer doing Space hardware who ridiculed the young crop of Mechanical
Engineers who had never so much as changed spark plugs. In his mind,
even the old, classic definition of "engine" (meaning any moving,
mechanical device) doesn't justify applying "Engineer" to someone who
designs, say, stationary brackets. Imagine what he'd say about code
writers gaining the moniker.

--
Ron Hammon
Remove the "y" from ".nyet", when present, to reach me.

RayS wrote: 

I'd watch it How about "Knuckle Busters". "Great Fuming Pissed Off
Gear Heads"? Or i know "Who Wants To Be An Arm Chair Engineer!" at the
end of the show the contestant gets to point out how by moving something
one or two inches the engineers of the device could have made it run
better or be more serviceable.

I can see it now... Host: "to be serviceable; the #4 plug boot on a 95
5.0 Mustang must be: A) reachable with at least one finger B) reachable
with one finger and one flat bladed screw driver C) reachable by taking
off lines, unbolting crap, and disconnecting stuff or D) reachable by at
least two fingers of the human hand AND opposable thumb.

Okay, boy was she wrong (the google lady) I have a degree in Computer
Engeneering and we were taught how to design parts that run a computer.
People who just write code are not engineers.

I also own a 94 Mustang GT and was ROTFLMMFAO. I ripped off the #5 boot
(passenger side, firewall). It took me about an hour before I could even
get the new plug into the hole and started.

Oh, and I broke my Universal drive on plug #8 (just bought the car and the
plugs were rusted in, not the threads to much, but I guarentee that no
anti-seize was used). Darn drive cost $10 to replace.

-Arjay


Ron Hammon <nyet> wrote in news:nyet:
 

On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 23:25:47 -0400, Simon Juncal <com>
wrote something wonderfully witty:
 
Would that be spelling?
 

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ZombyWoof

The wages of sin are death, but after taxes are taken out,
it's just a tired feeling.

On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 23:17:37 -0500, Ron Hammon <nyet>
wrote something wonderfully witty:

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Even though this is quite off-topic I will throw my .02 cents in. An
Engineer is simply at it's purist form is one who is trained or
professionally engaged in a branch of engineering. This could include
Software Engineering. However, a Software Engineer is not one who
writes code, but one who carries through an enterprise by skillful or
artful contrivance; an efficient manager. They oversee a project
develop milestones, project plans, staffing models, work with
predictive tools such as the COCOMO model. Please see the following
web site http://sunset.usc.edu/research/COCOMOII/index.html if you are
unfamiliar with what I am talking about.

One who works primarily in the function of developing computer code is
a programmer. Nothing more, nothing less. Not a bad profession,
matter of fact one to take quite a bit of pride in. With the move
away from the more traditional 3GL languages to "C" or "Ada"more and
more programmers began to refer to themselves as Software Engineers or
Engineers. I have a degree in Software Engineering and I can promise
you that there was not one programming class in my course of study at
Carnegie Mellon. And I am SEI certified. You can verify this at the
following website http://www.mse.cs.cmu.edu/ which outlines the
program of study. It is assumed that you already know programming
techniques and have at least two years of applied work experience.

Now what the hell does all of this mean? Absolutely nothing. One can
call ones self what ever they want. Many companies bandied the title
about because of lack of knowledge of what the term really means.
Hell even though I have the degree and some work experience as a Chief
Architect for a leading consulting firm I no longer work in the area
after making the jump to Senior Executive management as a CIO. Not a
phoney CIO like so many companies call the one guy who does all the
System Administrator duties in a one man shop either.

Flame suit is now on for ever opening my big mouth on the subject.
Fire away.


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ZombyWoof

The wages of sin are death, but after taxes are taken out,
it's just a tired feeling.

ZombyWoof wrote: 
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This is exactly the point. Where is the "engine", the real-world,
mechanical mechanism? Stretching "Engineer" to fit any desired position
(sanitary engineer), is just plain silly. One who manages software
projects is no more an "Engineer" (a designer/operator of mechanisms,
even electrical mechanisms) than a code writer. The same is doubly true
for the (ab)use of "Architect" (a designer of physical structures).

--
Ron Hammon
Remove the "y" from ".nyet", when present, to reach me.

Most engineers I deal with are the WORST spellers I know! ;^) Ever read set of drawings?
StuK



"ZombyWoof" <net> wrote in message
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^^^^^^^ 

ZombyWoof wrote: 

Would you like your official anal retentive spelling checker of RAMFM
badge now, or should we save it for the next time you misspell something?