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  1. #1
    unix-freak
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    Need help with cam choice

    Hi all,

    My Firebird is about to have a stock rebuilt 400 (`68 YS) block. I
    have the 6x-4 heads from a `77 350. I plan to drive this on the street
    and occasionally to work on the highway @ 3000 or so RPM. It has a
    T-10 4 speed. Here's the specs:

    Rear end: 3.08
    CR: 8.4:1
    Dual exhaust (no cats)
    4bbl q-jet w/stock intake

    I need to know what cam to buy. I'd like to get 300 horses out of the
    engine, while having a good to fair idle with some lobing.

    Thanks in advance,
    JR

  2. #2
    Derek
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    Re: Need help with cam choice

    I don't think you could go too far wrong using the famous 068 cam (288/302
    dur max torque @ 3000 rpm max hp @ 4600 rpm ) in any Pontiac engine. This
    was the original tri-power cam from 1965 and was used in various Ram air/455
    applications after that.

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  3. #3
    FBR
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    Re: Need help with cam choice

    unix-freak wrote: 

    You might look here: http://www.boyleworks.com/ta400/psp/camquickref.html

    Another reference you might hit on Usenet is alt.autos.camaro.firebird



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    FBR
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    Re: Need help with cam choice

    FBR wrote: 

    Another good article that might help:
    http://www.boyleworks.com/ta400/psp/camshaft.html



  5. #5
    Bon·ne·ville
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    Re: Need help with cam choice

    I think he could do better than a cam ground in 1965. I dont know cams
    that well but I know they got better in designing them. If anything
    hurts those 400 motors its the flow from the heads and that compression
    ratio. 9.0:1 or 9.5:1 would greatly up things. A cam with more duration
    can add to the actual compression.
    Check out
    www.northernautoparts.com
    and see what they got. Right now its slow or not working for me...

    In article <egVLb.481$cgocable.net>,
    ca says... 

  6. #6
    Marky
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    Re: Need help with cam choice

    I would argue to the contrary, particularly if the heads are
    marginal. A cam with too much duration (and typically a consequently tighter LDA)
    tends to bleed off cylinder pressure at low rpm. Combine this with a low
    static compression ratio (like 8.4) and the motor will have major trouble
    getting the fuel vaporized at lower revs. The classic "solution" is to
    richen up the idle/off idle to load the motor with fuel in the hopes of
    getting enough vaporized to keep the engine running. This, however, will
    wash down the cylinder walls, and before long, it's rebuild time.
    Personally, I'd either kick that compression ratio up a full point, or
    I'd forget 300hp and stick with a very conservative cam profile. If the
    builder opts to stab in a wild cam nevertheless, I would strongly advise
    to install it significantly advanced to help salvage a little low end
    pressure.

    Mark

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  7. #7
    Bon·ne·ville
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    Re: Need help with cam choice

    Yeah thats true. Like I said I dont know cams that well but I know a
    sucky compression when I see one. Maybe after going to northern he may
    budget in some new pistons.

    In article <net>,
    net says... 

  8. #8
    Dennis
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    Re: Need help with cam choice

    In article <woh.rr.com>, sp@m.b.gone
    says... 


    You can't go wrong with the 068 RA/HO or RA-IV cams. They may be old but
    they're tried and true. I yanked a CompCams Extreme cam out of my 455 HO that
    the previous owner installed for a factory 068 cam. The car ran so much better
    and had so much more power. The factory cams have a very nice lope to them
    especially the RA-IV cam. None of the radical cams are going to work well with
    8.4:1 compression.


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    -1971 Trans Am - 455 H.O. - M21 4speed - Cameo white/blue stripe-
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    -1973 Trans Am - 455 - TH400 auto - Buccaneer red-
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  9. #9
    Stan
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    Re: Need help with cam choice

    This is why today's cams with faster acceleration rates will give you
    the same .050 duration as the older cams with less overall duration.
    What you ready need to calculate is what is call dynamic compression
    ratio. If this is to low you not have much bottom end power if this is
    to high you will not be able to run on pump gas.
    Stan

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  10. #10
    Stan
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    Re: Need help with cam choice

    Do you know which version (duration) Comp cams was in there?
    Stan

    Dennis Smith wrote: 


 

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