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  1. #1
    Bob
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    My test drives of 9-3 Linears

    Drove two new 9-3 Linears yesterday, both automatics.

    -2003 with 17"s, too much tendency to follow road irregularities; squirrelly
    at high highway speeds (90 mph)

    -2004 with 16's: eliminated 95% of the tendency, and about 90% of the
    squirrelliness

    Both car interiors seemed somewhat loose fitting, like trim parts were
    rubbing and jiggling over the worse roads (that shuffling sound over the
    bumps and poor patches), and weren't tightly assembled, or poorly designed,
    or both. The dash area seemed tight, it was aft that seemed loose. The
    interior just felt somewhat like a flivver to me. But maybe that's just me.

    Struts on the 03 sounded noisy, and also sounded like something was loose
    underneath whacking the floor pan- probably easily adjusted. The strut
    noisiness was worrisome, though.

    Decent acceleration. Gas hungry when pushed, though. Smallish fuel tank if
    you plan on driving somewhat aggressively, or like to stomp it, or cruise
    over the limit.

    Steering boost was a bit too high, but not objectionably. Handling is right
    on for FWD.

    Loved the size both inside and out.

    Was all set to do a deal on the loaded 2003 with 200 miles. Sweet pricing.

    What killed it for me was the tremendous road noise infiltrating the cabin
    (both cars) at both low and high speeds, no way could I live with that.
    Sounded louder than the 03 Malibu rental I drove last summer. And the
    Malibu's interior seemed better screwed in place. I was really surprised at
    this on both vehicles (the '04 had 11 miles on it).

    GM's cost cutters have shown their faces, and the sight is not pretty.

    After spending about 4 hours researching this car on the 'net, I really
    wanted to fall in love with it. But the cost-cutters stole that joy from me
    and stole a sale from their employer.

    Next stop: the Acura store.



  2. #2
    ma_twain
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    Re: My test drives of 9-3 Linears



    Bob H wrote:
     


    I am sorry to hear this about the quality of the 2003/2004 9-3s. For
    that price, you would think these issues would have been eliminated.
    Did you test drive any other Saab 9-3s, just in case you might have
    found two lemons?

    I prefer the Classic Saabs, primarily because the design. I have not
    noticed the squirrelly handling and suspension noise with my Classics
    that you found with the new 9-3s - and my Classic have well over 100,000
    miles each.

     

    What do you mean by "gas hungry"? I get 26 mpg (US) with a 900 SPG in
    combined city/highway driving.

     

     





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    Andrew
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    Re: My test drives of 9-3 Linears

    In article <1MxOb.1903$news.adelphia.net> null writes:
     

    Two years ago I tested a demo 9-3 with 17" wheels and thought it
    unacceptably harsh. This was on normal country roads in Norfolk,
    UK, decently maintained with odd pots and gouges here and there.
    Conditions limited sane driving to maybe 55 mph. I was assured
    the 16" were softer but never had a chance to see for myself.

    Does "squirrelly" == harsh or just excessively lively?
    --
    Andrew Stephenson


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    Johannes
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    Re: My test drives of 9-3 Linears



    Bob H wrote: 

    Quite surprised to hear that, is it only the Linear? Possibly a car with
    brand new tires is more noisy? Did you try a model with more mileage on it?

    Road noise isn't really acceptable in a premium class car. One thing I enjoy
    in my 1993 9000 CSE is the lack of (intrusive) road noise. Actually, I never
    think of it as it's not an issue. This is my problem; you never know that you
    have a good car before you try another one.

  5. #5
    Harvey
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    Re: My test drives of 9-3 Linears

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 15:38:37 GMT, in alt.autos.saab you wrote:

    Try a 9-5, or try an earlier model year. Saab certified gives you a
    100K mile/6 year warranty. Perhaps the earlier ones are a bit less
    GM'd up.

    Harvey

     


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    Bob
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    Re: My test drives of 9-3 Linears


    "ma_twain" <com> wrote in message
    news:com... 
    squirrelly 
    designed, 
    me. 
    loose 

    The two samples, except as noted, drove similarly. There was nothing about
    them I would describe as lemon-like. Their characteristics//unexpected
    noises as noted did not appeal to me and perhaps could be cured with dealer
    adjustment. As a matter of fact the sales manager told me the dealership
    bought back two cars with 17's, so unhappy were the owners. And he offered
    to swap 16's onto the 2003 at no charge. He did not dispute the road noise.
    He suggested I try a 9-5, but after having read complaints about excessive
    road noise above 60 mph in it, I declined citing unacceptable depreciation
    issues.
     
    tank if 
    cruise 

    I found it very easy to burn gas quickly when pressing the vehicle to
    accelerate and drive fast. The fuel gauge indicator seemed to drop as fast
    as the one in the hungry eight cylinder engined vehicle which I frequenly
    "push". As it should. The slushbox undoubtedly did not help matters any.
    Very easy to trash the EPA ratings. I simply thought that it would be more
    economical even when thrashed somewhat, what with the engine size. But I
    suppose to generate that much power from that size engine, it would required
    respectable amounts of fuel under turbo-charged conditions.

    Bottom line: if the road noise was (largely) absent, I would be driving it
    next week.
     
    right 
    pricing. 
    cabin 
    surprised at 
    from me 



  7. #7
    Bob
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    Re: My test drives of 9-3 Linears


    "Andrew Stephenson" <demon.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:demon.co.uk... 

    The 16's are definitely softer. I did not find the 17's too harsh, although
    they were harsher. But it did not ride anywhere near as harsh as a Lincoln
    LS with 17's. That one is harsh.

     



  8. #8
    Bob
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    Re: My test drives of 9-3 Linears


    "Johannes H Andersen" <com> wrote in message
    news:com... 
    squirrelly 
    designed, 
    me. 
    loose 
    tank if 
    cruise 
    right 
    pricing. 
    cabin 
    surprised at 
    it?

    Not anywhere near enough sound-deadening. Perhaps the pre-GM units are
    quieter, but I prefer the styling of the GM's. It's too bad they are
    running the show, because in my thinking they've largely ruined what could
    be a much more successful and pleasing automobile.
     
    enjoy 
    never 
    you 

    That being said I must agree with you, as my present vehicle , which
    stickered for U$4,000 less two years ago, is much quieter. I have a
    newfound respect for it.



  9. #9
    Bob
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    Re: My test drives of 9-3 Linears


    "Harvey White" <netcom.com> wrote in message
    news:com... 

    I really would like to drive the 9-5, but I will not spend at that level due
    to rapid depreciation issues (I tend to trade about every three years).
    Perhaps a lease would make more sense. Also, I have read complaints of
    intrusive road noise above 60 mph in the 9-5. I do not remember which model
    year the author referred to.

    Given its present direction, GM may end up poisoning the whole line of
    vehicles with their mindless cost-cutting. Too bad to ruin Saab. I feel
    gyped.

     
    squirrelly 
    designed, 
    me. 
    if 
    right 
    pricing. 
    cabin 
    at 
    me 



  10. #10
    JNGold
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    Re: My test drives of 9-3 Linears

    I posted this on a Saab forum some time ago after getting my new Continental
    17" ContiExtreme All Season. It might apply here.

    Just got back from my getting my new ContiExtreme AS put on. My initial
    thoughts based on just riding around town is that these tires live up to the
    high expectations I had for them.

    First of all, they are quiet. Now I can REALLY hear the passenger-side
    window rattle! But seriously, they are noticably quieter around town and at
    highway speeds. Second, they seem better able to take the rigors of the
    bumps and road irregularities much better than the stock Pirelli's. With the
    Pirelli's I noticed hitting any decent size bump would jar the steering
    wheel in my hands. The Conti's seem more forgiving and shock absorbant even
    when hitting some of the same bumps that I travel daily.

    In all, the harsh Vector ride just got a little smoother, thanks to these
    seemingly fine tires.


    "Bob H" <net> wrote in message
    news:1MxOb.1903$news.adelphia.net... 
    squirrelly 
    designed, 
    me. 
    if 
    right 
    pricing. 
    at 
    me 






 

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