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  1. #1
    Michael
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    modifying navigation system


    I bought a 2005 ES330 a couple of months ago with the new
    navigation system. I am happy with it except for one thing:
    (apparently due to safety/legal issues) most of the nav system features
    are unavailable unless the vehicle is stopped. My wife and I frequently
    take cross-country trips of thousands miles across the US. In the past
    we have used a Garmin StreetPilot III GPS system. It boots up with a
    warning that one should not use it while driving, but it also lets you
    bypass this feature so that a passenger can use the advanced features.
    We quite frequently used this system to locate restaurants, road side
    parks, and lodging while enroute. This made it quite handy to call
    ahead and see if there was a vacancy for the night,for instance, and
    then change the route to that destination. Lexus, it seems, wants to
    require that the vehicle pull over and stop to do the same thing. This
    is extremely inconvenient and inefficient, especially when several calls
    to different hotels must be made. I'd like the ability for the
    passenger to use the Lexus nav system while moving. The way to do this
    would be to keep the nav system from knowing that the vehicle is moving.
    Obviously, the GPS info can detect movement, but this system also uses
    "dead-reckoning" so that it can give a less accurate guidance if the GPS
    signal is lost. This makes me think that perhaps, just perhaps, the
    movement detection that turns of selected functions is somehow tied to
    speedometer input. Does anyone know if this is true? If so, then a
    workaround would involve disabling this input. If not, then it seems
    that a software hack is the only route. Anyone know anything about a
    software hack? Yes, I know it would void my warranty.

    TIA,
    mdh


  2. #2
    Giga
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    Re: modifying navigation system

    Mike,

    I've looked for an answer to this question for years, and have never found
    one. If you come up with anything, PLEASE post it to the group, or reply
    privately to me directly! I'm with you -- this "socialized safety" has got
    to go. There are simply too many lawyers out there.

    Carl
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  3. #3
    D.D.
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    Re: modifying navigation system

    You are SOL. I have both the Garmin StreetPilot and the Lexus units and the
    Garmin is better in a number of ways. Yes, having to be stopped is ANNOYING.
    No fix, from what I hear. SOL

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  4. #4
    David
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    Re: modifying navigation system

    "Michael D. Henderson" <com> wrote in message
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    There's a guy on ebay who goes by the username "doctorbypass" who sells
    what appears to be a cable with instructions for about $150.
    Unfortunately, it only works for the LX470, GX470, and LS430. This
    modification allows you to play a DVD while the car is moving. See:
    http://motors.search.ebay.com/_W0QQgotopageZ1QQsassZdoctorbypassQQsoreco
    rdsperpageZ50QQsosortorderZ1QQsosortpropertyZ1

    I emailed him and he said he doesn't have anything for the ES. I have a
    2004 ES330 and I'm looking for the same thing you are -- to be able to
    use all navigation features while moving including POI search,
    destination input, etc..



  5. #5
    Doug
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    Re: modifying navigation system


    "Michael D. Henderson" <com> wrote in message
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    Michael,

    A hardware hack is available for the 04-05 Toyota Prius Navigation system,
    which is likely the same as what's in your Lexus (the screens, at least, are
    identical). With the Prius, you find the purple colored wire that carries
    the vehicle speed data to the navigation system, clip it, and insert a
    toggle switch (available for a couple of bucks at places like Radio Shack).
    There's no guarantee that the Lexus uses the same color coding for wires,
    but my guess is that it does -- there would be no reason not to have
    standard wiring harnesses for all vehicles' Navigation systems.

    Here's the link for do-it-yourselfers who want to modify the Prius
    Navigation system.

    http://www.vfaq.net/mods/NAVswitch.html

    Note that for the 05 ES330, the Navigation system is integrated into the
    dash head unit that has the LCD display, whereas for the Prius, the system
    is under the driver's seat. So, you'll need to open up the dash to get at
    the Lexus navigation system. Here's how:

    1. Apply the parking brake, and put the car in neutral.
    2. Grasp the rear portion of the horizontal piece of the center console that
    surrounds the gear shifter and gently lift up. (This is the piece that has
    wood trim.) Carefully lift it off, being sure not to scratch the shifter
    knob, heater buttons, or wood. Set it aside.
    3. Grasp the bottom of the black/silver plastic panel that has the heater
    buttons and display. (You can reach around the back of it and get a good
    grip once you complete step 2 above.) Firmly pull outward. The entire HVAC
    module will come out. Position it out of the way. It's not necessary to
    unplug the connectors on it.
    4. Next, you will need to get at the navigation system; I have not done the
    following steps myself -- they are based on conjecture. First, remove the
    black/silver dash trim that is around the navigation screen. My guess is
    that it pulls out. The best way to do this without damaging anything is to
    use the proper tools:

    * Hook tool
    * Dash trim removal tool
    Get them here: http://www.pro-fit-intl.com/dealers/specialtytools.html

    To use the hook, gently wiggle it between the edge of the plastic dash panel
    and the adjacent vinyl panel. Once inserted, twist the hook 45 degrees so
    that the hook goes behind the plastic panel. Then, firmly pull. Repeat on
    all edges of the dash panel. You can put some masking tape over the vinyl
    area in the vicinity where you put the hook to protect it against smudges.

    5. Once the panel surrounding the navigation screen is out, remove the
    screws securing the navigation system. Check the wiring on the back to see
    if it is similar to the Prius' wiring that is described on the vfaq web page
    mentioned above. If so, you're in business: Just follow the instruction on
    the vfaq site. If, however, the wiring is totally different, you can buy
    the electrical wiring service manuals for your car from Toyota (or download
    them from Toyota's technical website). Look over the diagrams, find the
    speed sensor wire, clip it, and wire in a switch!

    Toyota tech info site: http://techinfo.toyota.com/

    [Legal disclaimer: Do the above at your own risk. Fiddling with the
    navigation system while driving might cause injury, death, property damage,
    headache, or irregular heartbeat. Check with physician or legal advisor
    before proceeding.]

    -Doug in VA



  6. #6
    Michael
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    Re: modifying navigation system

    Doug in VA wrote: 


    *** snip ***


    Thanks much for the info. Due to my schedule it'll probably be
    several weeks before I am able to try it, but I'll let you know if it
    works. Meanwhile, if anyone else tries it please post your results here.

    mdh

  7. #7
    Kbach
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    Re: modifying navigation system

    Have you tried looking for info in www.clublexus.com ? I have the details
    for the GX, but haven't gotten around to the mod yet. They have forums for
    all makes, so try looking. If it can be done, someone will know how on that
    link.

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