Chrysler: Minivan Comaprison
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Re: Minivan Comaprison
Read the complaint about a 2004 Sienna from another newsgroup here. I
just got my 2004 Sienna a week ago and I LOVE it. No issues (although
only 450 miles). Anyone can get a lemon now and then (like my 1999
Explorer). Just less likely on the Toyota and Honda vans. I looked
at the Windstar and Caravan, but after speaking to neighbors that had
them in for frequent repairs, super low resale values (the vans are
worth 50% what people bought it about 2 years - or less), I decided on
the 2004 Sienna. Great decision so far. Smooth, quiet, and solid.
Overall, I have had less issues with my Accord and Corolla in the past
then I did with my Ford and Dodge cars/trucks.
Consumer Reports, Smart Money Magazine, and others rank the 2004
Sienna tops overall (or a close second in other magazines). The
American vans are rarely in the top 3. That has to tell you
something. Unless there is a "conspiracy" against American
manufacturers in all trade and consumer magazines ;-)
One of the big things is the resale values. The American vans drop
like a weight once they roll off the car lot. If you are buying
American, wait and buy a 2 year old model (though this is true for any
manufacturer). But with the American cars you can save 50% or more on
the original MSRP. The Siennas and Odysseys hold their value a lot
longer. Just check out any resale list out there.
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Yes, but American minivans sells for much less when they are new.
Dealers sell them 2K to 5K$ less than their MRSP.
With Honda or Toyota, it's hard to buy a new car 2K$ less than the
MRSP.
Bottomline, american cars and vans MRSP are too high according to their
value.
"Blade" <net> wrote in message
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OK. That is a valid point. I guess anyone who buys an American car
at or close to MSRP is getting screwed. I know that the 04 Sienna's
are selling at or close to MSRP (some have the gall to charge a
premium!). Law of supply and demand I guess. The Odysseys were like
that too when they were first introduced, although there is a little
more wiggle room now (especially after the 04 Sienna was introduced
earlier this year). I hear there is some wiggle room on the 04
Quest's MSRP too - but they were never as popular as the other
manufacturers to begin with...
On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:20:30 -0400, "sunny" <ca>
wrote:
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Blade wrote:
My 1996 Grand Voyager is smooth, quiet and solid ... and it has 140,000
miles as of 10 minutes ago. Kind of fun to watch all the zeroes light up!
Worst car I ever had was a Honda Accord. Best car was a Plymouth
Acclaim that replaced the Accord. My Chevy truck has been nearly
bulletproof since I bought it new 10 years ago.
Last time I checked, Consumer guide rated the 2003 Grand Caravan
slightly higher than the 2003 Odyssey. I don't think the 2004 Sienna
had been tested yet. And, having subscribed to Consumer Reports for
nearly 20 years now, I do believe they are biased against American
brands. I don't think it is a conspiracy, but I think there is definite
bias there.
Yes, the resale values are low, but that is a result of supply and
demand as much as anything. There are simply LOTS of Chrysler vans that
come back each year from fleets. I just bought one this evening to add
to my stable...
Matt
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Blade wrote:
Have you looked closely at the new Quest? What an abomination of a
minivan. The dash is not only butt ugly, but nonfunctional. I'll lose
a lot of faith in the American public, and there isn't all that much
left to lose, if this thing sells well at all. The multiple sun roofs
are kind of neat to ease the claustrophobia, but that dash is horrendous.
Matt
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> Yes, the resale values are low, but that is a result of supply and
Well said. It is true that there is SO MUCH Chrysler minivans that come
back from fleets
or location companies.
But I have to give the credit to the new 04 Sienna though, go take a look
and you'll understand
my point.
And it is true that Nissan's Quest designer have gone a little too far on
their pulsion.
It is YOU LIKE or YOU DON'T LIKE with their cars.
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CR just reviewed the minivans including 2004 Sienna.
"Matthew S. Whiting" <org> wrote in message
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In article <org>,
"Matthew S. Whiting" <org> wrote:
Apparently, from published tests, it rides and handles nicely, being built on
the Altima/Maxima platform and all. And at least it isn't a box on wheels
like some minivans. I agree about the instrument cluster, but the controls on
the center raised console are handy (and why don't more minivans come with a
shifter like this and the Sienna's, much easier to shift, than on the steering
column?).
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In article <7wsgb.1541$news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Art Begun" <com> wrote:
And apparently Motor Trend has a comparion of the Sienna, Quest, and Odyssey
coming out (they featured it on "Motor Trend TV" this past weekend).
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Re: Minivan Comaprison
On Tue, 07 Oct 03 09:46:09 GMT, edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:
If you want to see a truly ugly dash take a look at a 2003/4 Ford
Escape XLT.
I just had the dis-pleasure of having one of these as a rental from
Hertz whilst I was away on business.
The gearshift lever when in park is about at a 60 degree angle and is
sticking way up over the dash.
The ignition switch is way down low on the steering column and every
time I go to put the key in I usually miss and try and put it in the
rubber covered gear selector hole.
The dash is silver with orange and puke green numbers and lines on the
gauges (with the lights on).
The wiper control is confusing and the wash/wipe a couple of time
function always seems to wipe but you have to hold the switch too long
to get it to wash first.
The keyless works, but only from about 15 feet from the SUV.
Add to that the beast got 11mpg in hiway/suburban driving and it adds
up to a big piece of garbage.
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