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    Car
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    Mercedes-Benz hit with suit

    News article in Today's Toronto Star. I guess this means that drivers have
    no clue about conventional vs. synthetic oils.

    Mercedes-Benz hit with suit
    Claim says firm recommended wrong motor oil

    Follows similar action by U.S. customers in 2001


    TONY VAN ALPHEN
    BUSINESS REPORTER

    Mercedes-Benz Canada Inc. has potentially caused millions of dollars in
    engine damage to customers' cars because the company recommended the wrong
    oil under a maintenance program, a driver charges in a class-action lawsuit.

    Michael Malc of Toronto, who bought a 1998 Mercedes C230, says in a
    statement of claim that the auto maker's maintenance reminder system called
    for oil changes between 15,000 and 30,000 kilometres. But the company didn't
    tell him and other owners servicing should occur much earlier if they used
    conventional instead of synthetic motor oils, the statement said.

    In July, 2001, Mercedes informed customers in Canada and the United States
    that they should switch to synthetic oils that the company recommended to
    ensure no engine problems. Mercedes sold about 40,000 models in Canada
    equipped with a "flexible service system" or maintenance reminder sensor
    from 1998 to mid-2001

    However, Malc says in the claim on behalf of himself and other Mercedes
    drivers in Canada that vehicles sustained and continue to suffer "abnormal
    and excessive engine wear and damage" because of the long intervals between
    changes of conventional oil earlier.

    The earlier oil recommendation continues to constitute a safety hazard and
    exposes car occupants and others to potential bodily injury if an engine
    seizes on the road, he added in the claim filed in the Ontario Superior
    Court of Justice.

    The claim, which has not been proved in court, seeks millions of dollars in
    potential damages covering repair and maintenance costs for alleged
    excessive engine wear, reduction in the value of vehicles, overpayment for
    models, extra expenses for pure synthetic oil and higher exposure to injury.

    Mercedes-Benz said yesterday there is "no merit" to the claim and the
    company plans to defend itself vigorously.

    JoAnne Caza, director of marketing and public relations for Mercedes-Benz
    Canada, said the claim is a "copy cat" of a class-action lawsuit that a U.S.
    driver launched in 2001. The parties eventually reached a settlement that a
    Pennsylvania court approved earlier this year.

    In that settlement, Mercedes-Benz USA provided an extra warranty that covers
    engine damage caused by use of conventional motor oil in models with the
    flexible service system equipment, advising them of the need for maintenance
    soon. The warranty coverage, which is transferable in a sale, applies for 10
    years or 150,000 miles (about 250,000 kilometres).

    Under the terms, Mercedes also gave U.S. owners and lessees of 1998 and 1999
    models a $35 (U.S.) discount on scheduled servicing including an oil change.
    Owners of newer models won't get the discount because they are still under
    warranty coverage.

    Lawyers for the lead plaintiff estimated the class-action lawsuit covered
    about 667,000 drivers in the United States.

    In Canada, Caza said there were a "relatively low" number of warranty claims
    arising from problems because of the use of conventional mineral based motor
    oils.


    "The conditions in Canada are different," she said. "It's not as much of an
    issue in Canada."

    In addition to the claim, Malc filed a notice of motion in court recently to
    certify it as a class-action suit. His lawyer Harvin Pitch said the motion
    will likely be heard next year.

    In his claim, Malc alleges Mercedes-Benz was negligent in promotion of its
    flexible service system equipment and in recommending use of conventional
    oil. Customers relied on such promotions, he says.



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    Philip®
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    Re: Mercedes-Benz hit with suit

    SO MUCH verbiage without using the word SLUDGE. LOL. Those
    Mercedes drivers really slay me.

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    with your education - Mark Twain"


     




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    Dan
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    "Car Guy" <com> wrote in message
    news:W63vb.13308$bellglobal.com... 
    have 
    lawsuit. 
    called 
    didn't 
    between 
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    injury. 
    U.S. 

    covers 
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    Americans are just so lawsuit happy, that it's incredible.



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    C.
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    "Philip®" wrote:
     

    LOL...but then Toyota owners know all about sludge, don't they?

    Ed


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    Mark
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    "Dan J.S." <com> wrote in message
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    That's because the trial lawyers (who take cases for free and get a big
    slice of the settlements) are very influential in politics and have
    prevented tort reform in the US. When you have a lot of unemployed lawyers,
    you are likely to have many such lawsuits.



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    Philip®
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    Re: Mercedes-Benz hit with suit

    In news:com,
    C. E. White <com> being of bellicose mind posted: 

    Just the 3,000 or so negligents who had to learn the hard way. The
    remaining 99% don't know from nuthin' ;-)
    --

    *Philip

    If only AlGore's gardeners would stop moving him around and feeding
    him fertilizer, the bark beetles could have their way with him.



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    Huw
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    "Dan J.S." <com> wrote > > oil. Customers relied on such
    promotions, he says. 

    They seem not to read the specifications on the can either!
    Mercedes did and do recommend to use only oil to MB229.1 spec as a
    minimum for this series of engines. A select bunch of mineral oils do
    meet this specification and some lower order synthetics do not.
    AFAIK some dealers just used a standard oil in the engine, not
    appreciating that for an average of 15,000 miles between services,
    something a bit better than the minimum spec is needed. When this
    problem came to light, a technical bulletin was issued warning that
    specific oils should be used [although this was always plain in the
    vehicle literature] and indeed, in the USA [presumably because
    Americans do not think in terms of better oil *standards*] they added
    an additional caveat that only synthetic oil meeting mb229.1 should be
    used.
    Elsewhere there is only the restriction that 229.1 oils should be
    used, whatever the base oil. There have been no problems here related
    to lubrication.

    Huw


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    noyap
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    Re: Mercedes-Benz hit with suit

    OK then, this is it: use only approved synthetic oils and kill all the
    lawyers! <G>

    "Mark A" <net> wrote in message
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    lawyers, 



  9. #9
    Art
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    I'd like to know what the Mercedes dealers use for an oil change.


    "Dan J.S." <com> wrote in message
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    drivers 
    dollars in 
    the wrong 
    class-action 

    system 
    company 
    they used 
    United States 
    recommended to 
    Canada 
    sensor 
    Mercedes 
    "abnormal 
    intervals 
    hazard and 
    engine 
    Superior 
    dollars 
    alleged 
    overpayment for 
    to 
    the 
    Mercedes-Benz 
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    settlement that 
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    1998 and 
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    promotion of its 
    conventional 



  10. #10
    Dori
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    Re: Mercedes-Benz hit with suit

    Bit offtopic, innit? But does that mean you've bought the Pacifica...

    ;-)
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