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  1. #51
    Juergen
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    Huw wrote: 

    Immediately before posting I looked it up
    on the German Citroen and Peugeot websites
    and found only cars with particulate filters
    and EU-3 - and IMHO that is not different
    in other countries.

     

    Yes, but only since last month.



     

    That's good!


     

    AFAIK ther's financial tax advantages in
    thw UK, Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands
    and Sweden.

     

    With the MB four-bangers it is 580 Euro
    incl. German VAT at 16 percent.

     

    That's why the ones without additives are better.

     

    Interesting info.


     

    I am very suspicious, too, about the longevity
    of the modern diesel engines - I simply do not
    believe they will last as long as the simple
    ones used until the Mercedes W124-series (those
    were built 1985-1995).
    Of course for most people 250.000 or 300.000
    miles would be more than sufficient - but at first
    those engines do really have to meet that mark.


    Juergen - has a low-tech diesel in Mercedes W123
    which still is built new for cars in India
    (Bajaj-Tempo)

  2. #52
    C.
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    Huw wrote:
     

    There is one main reason for the diesels popularity in Europe -
    differential taxation. In the US diesel fuel now routinely sells for more
    than unleaded regular gasoline. How can anyone justify paying extra for a
    diesel vehicle if the fuel is more expensive? True the diesel will get
    better mileage, but in most cases this will be at the sacrafice of some
    performance.

    Ed


  3. #53
    Neo
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    "Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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    Nope. Diesel engines still emits more carcinogenic particulates than
    gas ones. And you assume that the current taxation will remaing the
    same, which will not from 2006 and on. You also assume that gas
    engines won't increasingly improve either, direct injection, for
    example.
     

    For the only reason that in Europe a full tank of gas in a Focus may
    set you back $50.

  4. #54
    Neo
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    "Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message news:<news.uk.tiscali.com>... 

    So does the new Fiat 1.3 Diesel without particulate filter...

    Then again, EU4 for gas engines is less rigorous than CA's ULEV and
    allows for more pollutants for Diesel engines.

  5. #55
    Dori
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    That may have been true once in a number of countries and may still
    influence some people's decisions (even though it is rarely worthwhile to
    pay the extra for a diesel engine unless you do a ery high mileage) but is
    no longer that significant.

    How do you explain the steep rise of diesel sales in the UK where the fuel
    costs the same as or more than standard 95-octane (c. 90 in the US)
    petrol/gasoline?

    The Merc S 320 CDI is the number-1-selling 'luxury executive' saloon in the
    UK. To people for whom the price of fuel is probably a secondary
    consideration.

    DAS
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  6. #56
    C.
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    I suppose people in Europe aren't as bright as I thought.

    Ed

    Dori Schmetterling wrote:
     


  7. #57
    Huw
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    "Neo" <com> wrote in message
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    and 
    from 
    minority in 
    than 

    Direct injection petrol engines are in common use and do not provide
    the hoped-for advantages and indeed have many pollution problems, not
    least of which is a high level of particulate emission, at least on
    the scale of modern diesels. Diesel technology is advancing at a far
    greater rate than the relitively mature petrol technology.

     
    prestige 
    sold. 

    Do you seriously believe that I care about the price of a tank of gas
    in my two cars which cost between them the best part of £100,000UKP ?
    LOL.
    By far the majority of BMW 7 and Mercedes S are now sold as diesel
    here. It seems incomprehensible to Americans that these are the
    engines of choice, even in the UK where the diesel fuel is more
    expensive than petrol. Believe it!

    Huw





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  8. #58
    Huw
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    "Dori Schmetterling" <co.uk> wrote in message
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    worthwhile to 
    but is 
    the fuel 
    in the 

    That is exactly correct. It is the engine of choice irrespective.

    Huw


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  9. #59
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    Guess who isn't actually very bright? He's the one who speaks from a
    position of ignorance.

    Huw


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    Huw
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    Well yes. They do not claim to ne ultra low emission vehicles.
    Remember that electricity produced from coal or oil to run a car, even
    atomic energy, has a pollution cost.

    Huw


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