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    JS
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    Re: Just Wondering ....

    Ok... I don't claim to know most of this stuff, but this is my
    understanding....

    Forced induction cars - and all cars IIRC, have a vacuum canister with a
    one-way check valve that will retain some vacuum for things like the heater
    controls, emissions control motors, etc. Also realize that a majority of
    the time, the car is being operated in vacuum (especially when slowing down,
    thus providing the brake booster with the necessary vacuum). I'm guessing
    here, but it sounds feasible. In any normal car, at WOT you also have no
    useable vacuum, and the heater controls still function and such.

    Nitrous wet and dry shots.... dry shots spray only the nitrous and involve a
    modified fuel injection system to compensate. This can be anything from a
    chip telling your computer to add more fuel when the nitrous is applied (in
    which case you'll probably have to upgrade fuel system components) to
    putting the nitrous injector before the MAF sensor, telling the computer
    there is more oxygen entering and providing more fuel. Wet systems provide
    both fuel and nitrous at the same time. They may also require an upgraded
    fuel system. This allows the computer to function normally and let the
    electronics that come with the nitrous kit do the fuel monitoring.

    Nitrous should also be used with a few safety precautions... a switch to
    monitor fuel pressure is a definate thing to have, unless you want a freak
    accident to cost you dearly. Wide open throttle switches, RPM window
    activation switches, etc, control when the nitrous kicks in.

    On just about any engine, it's recommended to not kick the nitrous in too
    early or you'll most likely hurt something. 3000 RPM window switches seem
    to be the number flying around... therefore when the RPMs reach 3000, it'll
    kick in the sauce and away you go. Just make sure you watch the tach
    though... if you think redline comes fast enough now, it'll be worse. I
    guess with an AOD you could perhaps let it shift itself, but you might want
    to have that rebuilt as well for a more performance-oriented application
    such as the one you're proposing.

    I don't know the limits on blocks. If you really want to squeeze the hell
    out of it, spend the money and build a totally new engine from an A4 block
    with forged internals... you should be good to the upper hundreds of
    horsepower. If you're just looking for a toy, have the block checked for
    cracks and stressed areas, rebuild it with good forged internals, and
    squeeze it.. you *should* be able to safely achieve 450-500hp... I think
    beyond that the block wants to give up... but I can't remember exactly.

    Hope that was some food for thought. You might also want to consider how
    you're gonna get the power to the pavement....

    JS

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    JS
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    Re: Just Wondering ....

    Tire ratings and such I'm not sure about. I think there's some kind of
    standard that the manufacturers have to go by, but I'm not sure what it is
    and if it's very specific or just something that they get to interpret.

    My Nitto 555's hold the road pretty well. They also have a new road race
    tire out that is supposed to one-up those tires as well.

    This brings in mind the question... what is your eventual goal for the car?
    Dumping money into this and that hardly seems worth it if you don't have a
    direction.

    Seems like you're looking for more of a canyon carver. Stiff chassis and
    tight suspension will go a long way to making your beast perform in the
    turns, and even make a slightly underpowered car more fun to drive. My
    turbo-4 Probe is a blast in the turns because the suspension and chassis
    built into that car from the factory make it a nice little grabber... it'll
    out-handle my Cobra (with the Nittos on it) and it only has relatively cheap
    all-purpose tires on it.

    In this case, I'd say stay away from the nitrous. It's great for a shot
    here and a shot there, but it's not all the time on demand, and will
    continually cost you to refill the bottle. I personally think it better for
    drag cars than road racers. Stick with something that can be there every
    time you push on the go pedal. Blowers are cheaper than turbo kits
    typically, but the gains that can be realized from a properly set up turbo
    kit are very large. Putting even two small turbos on a 5.0 built to handle
    them can provide a whole lotta fun every time out.

    I had an '86 Capri, so I know about the '86 5.0. It was the weakest SEFI
    5.0 perhaps, but some of the earlier 80's 5.0s were weaker in terms of power
    output. That beast still pulled very strong at 180,000 on the clock. In
    fact, if I fixed the leaks it has, I could probably trade back for it
    (traded it for a fresh T-5 and a set of fresh E7TEs) and drive the hell out
    of it, even with 180,000 it.

    Whatever route you decide to go, take the time and do it right. Spend the
    couple extra bucks here and there when necessary. Sure beats having to do
    it all over again when something goes wrong, especially in a forced
    induction or nitrous application.

    JS

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  3. #3
    JS
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    Re: Just Wondering ....

    LOL @ the pick 6 comment.

    At least you have a goal for the car. Many people mod these cars up and not
    even have a direction, then they're not pleased with the results.

    The supsension chioces are good for stiffening up the chassis and making it
    feel like one car instead of two distinctly separate cars held in place by
    some floorpan and some roof... which in your case is minimal at best. An
    aftermarket shock/spring package might also help keep you firmly on the
    ground.

    Don't skimp out on the rubber either... the tires are your only contact with
    the road. I've seen people bitching about their car's performance and then
    you look and they have those tires on that are supposed to last 100,000.
    Hint to those people - if it's gonna last that long, it's probably closer to
    the hardness of brick.

    I still like forced induction over NOS for a road machine. Not only is it
    legal (it's illegal to run your car on the street with the NOS bottle valve
    open in PA), but it's always there, you never have to refill it, and even if
    you're under the 3000 RPM level, you can still put some boost to it. With a
    rebuilt, forged bottom end and new heads / valve seals, you should have a
    very reliable engine provided you're not trying to pump out a ton of boost.
    You should be able to build your engine easily to handle 10psi of boost,
    more than enough to throw you through the turns, and do so all day long.

    As for intakes, people really seem to like the Cobra or GT-40 intakes. The
    Trick Flow stuff (at least the Track Heat) is way too big on an N/A 302 and
    would be better suited on a 351 or blown/stroked 302. I have the Track Heat
    setup and the car ran better with it off, at least with the stock heads on
    it.

    Daydreaming is of course free. Finding room to get everything to fit in
    your budget is priceless. ;-)

    JS

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