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Mitsubishi: installing supercharger

  1. #1
    justcurious
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    installing supercharger

    What additional modifications should be done with a supercharger? I know
    an intercooler is a pretty good idea, but will the engine need rebuilt to
    handle all the pressure?


  2. #2
    Stewart
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    Re: installing supercharger

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    Depends on the condition of the engine at present. If the compression is
    good and even on all cylinders, AND the valve stem seals are not leaking oil
    is causing oil burning), then a supercharger (or turbo charger) can be
    installed with no real problems.

    If the engine has done more than about 160,000 km, then you can do the
    install, but it won't last.

    Ideally, a rebuild should include new oil pump, rings, (better) bearings
    and a head/valve service. Supercharged and turbo charged engines also
    usually have lower compression than an N/A engine eg about 8:1 vs about
    9.2:1. This is to allow more fuel air to be compressed to bring up the
    compression to an equivalent of about 9.5:1. Put another way, a lower
    compression allows for more boost than a normal (eg 9.2:1) engine will
    allow. You can put in decompression plate under the head gasket, or have the
    combustion chambers milled out to reduce the compression. Another way is to
    put in dished rather than flat or raised pistons.

    With std compression and no intercooler, you'll be able to get away with
    maybe 5psi boost. With lower compression and an intercooler, 7-15 psi boost
    is possible.

    If you have a 4 cylinder, above is all very nice, but why not just get a
    Talon / Eclipse 4G63 2.0L DOHC turbo engine thats ready to go std with 195hp
    and 205 ft-lbs ot torque. What ever Mitsubishi you have (up to 2002 when the
    transmissions were changed and the engines rotated 18- degrees in the engine
    bay), it can be made to fit.

    Stewart DIBBS
    www.vysor.com/lancerproject




  3. #3
    simpleton
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    Re: installing supercharger

    gee, that depends on what motor you are considering boosting.





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  4. #4
    justcurious
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    Re: installing supercharger

    Let's say it is a newer celica or acura rsx.


  5. #5
    Nobody
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    Re: installing supercharger

    Two engines not designed for it. You might get 10K miles before it grenades,
    but you need a low compression engine for decent power on a charger. Neighed
    of those are low compression. Of course they are FWD too and wouldn't ever
    be really fast.

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    Todd Honea
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  6. #6
    JS
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    Re: installing supercharger

    Boosting on engines with either higher compression or cast internals is just
    asking for trouble. It can be done, and people will tell you that they've
    done it with no problems, but check back with them in a year or so and see
    if they're still singing the same tune.

    With either of those two situations, air/fuel mixture is more critical, as
    is timing and fuel octane. Boosting the cylinder pressure on something with
    already higher compression puts undue stress on the internals of an engine.
    Superchargers are generally more gentle on the components from what I've
    read, but you're still skating on thin ice. 5 psi with an intercooler to
    reduce heat (and the chance for detonation) might be doable on your stock
    Celica/RSX, but it will probably still decrease life expectancy.

    If you rebuild the engine for lower compression and use forged components
    (pistons and rods - crank if you can afford it and is available, I'm new to
    Japanese engines), and the block can support the kind of power levels that
    you're looking to produce, then I'd say yes, you can go hog wild.

    JS
    1997 Mustang Cobra (stock and *not* blower friendly)
    1995 Eclipse GSX (stock and begging for more boost)

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  7. #7
    simpleton
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    Re: installing supercharger

    "If you rebuild the engine for lower compression and use forged components
    (pistons and rods - crank if you can afford it and is available, I'm new to
    Japanese engines), and the block can support the kind of power levels that
    you're looking to produce, then I'd say yes, you can go hog wild."

    unless your talking about a motor that going to be ran very hard, stock
    internals will work.
    the GSX you have will run for years at 17 psi on oem cast pistons.
    things just have to be done correctly.



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  8. #8
    JS
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    Re: installing supercharger

    I was under the impression that the factory turbo cars had forged pistons
    just to prevent damage. Thanks for clearing that up for me. I'm still
    learning about this car - I just got it a couple weeks or so ago. My last
    adventure with a factory turbo car was an '89 Probe GT (Mazda), but I left
    it bone stock, so its internals didn't matter.

    My opinion though is still that if you're going to rebuild the entire thing
    for lower compression, pay the extra couple dollars and get the forged
    internals. A little ping isn't nearly as disastrous with stronger parts.
    Tuning is *everything* on a boosted car though.

    Nice to know that the GSX will support some more boost. The factory 2g
    turbo leaves a bit to be desired. The car has 117k on the clock now and
    still runs strong. I want to use it as a daily driver (AWD should be great
    in the PA snow), but with a little bit of fun on those long commutes.

    JS

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