Formula 1: The glorious and perplexing FIA driving standards

"CatharticF1" <net> wrote in message
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Ralf admitted he hadnt paid any attention to the position of the other cars.
That's a moronic and stupid attitude and I consider it endangering to 19
other lives out there. THAT - on it's own - deserves punishment


Doug

"Doug Ellison" <co.uk> somehow managed to post:
 

Would it make you feel better if he admitted to knowledge of their
position ... and then shut the door anyway? I think it was no worse
than Mick Dastardly's move on Alonso at Silverstone when he actually
*knew* he was there and yet still forced him off the track.

IMO, I think it's one of those "accumulation" penalties for Ralf.
They've punished him 10 slots just to make him think. I'm not so sure
he deserves the penalty *for just this incident*, but this is an
accumulation of (how many?) first lap incidents. Sure he *caused* the
accident, but was it intentional? Was it "avoidable"? (They all are to
some degree). I'm trying to look at this from Ralf's perspective.

He knew Barrichello was there and so possibly would have left enough
room for *one* more car - we'll never know so let's give him the
benefit of doubt here. The important thing is that he couldn't have
known Kimi was outside Barrichello. Kimi knew Barrichello was there
but had nowhere to go - he was on the edge of the track. Barrichello,
seeing he was being squeezed by the position of Kimi and the movement
of Barrichello, *could* have backed off and then all three *could*
have got round the corner but at what cost to himself?

Whether Barrichello *should* back off is another question and I don't
believe for a second that he should have. What the stewards have
decided is that the incident was avoidable and, in their opinion, Ralf
deserves to be punished for it. I think they're trying to redress
balance of first lap/corner etiquette as it's steadily been getting a
little out of hand over the last 10 years. Ralf's been the unlucky one
that's been called for stepping over the line.

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"Doug Ellison" <co.uk> wrote in message
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endangering 
yes - I 
wasnt 

Hmm, Michael Schumacher Adelade 1994, WAS paying attention to Hill
beside him as he looked in his mirror first and turned in to ram him.
Ralf on sunday was only paying attention to getting into the corner so
he says, and not to the cars around him, are these drivers not allowed
to concentrate on racing first?
Or you think his mind was actually on something else other than his
job? which as you said would then be moronic.

Impossibly HooDooWitch <demon.co.uk>
managed to spew forth a pile of crap that went along the lines of:
 

Hmmm... that description sounds alarmingly like a racing incident...
couldn't be...

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Cheers,

Matt Pope

CatharticF1 wrote: 

You don't.
 

Simple racing rule: it's for the driver behind to make sure he's clear
of the driver in front. Take off the mirrors. Moto racers don't need
them...
 
 

You should watch a replay of his start in Germany. He chopped off
Michael so well I dare say Michael himself wouldn't have done it any
better.

As long as this kind of swerving is permitted, there will be dangerous
crashes at the start.

"Mick" <pct@/me/.com> wrote in message
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Now, I know that Mosley and crew have been working hard on this for the last
few years, but as near as I can tell, paying attention to your line and
where other cars are in relation to you is still an intrinsic part of
"racing". Drop that bit, and it's just a bunch of guys driving
quickly...........

CatharticF1 <net> wrote in
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Easy. Racing room.

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Phil

Dodge this.

In article <32.252.50>,
com says... 

To drivers you can't see? That means leaving two car widths in case
there's another one on the other side of the car you *can* see - doesn't
it?

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CatharticF1

"Memory is a stranger,
History is for fools"