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Toyota Trucks: Ford - Have fun being # 3 !!!!

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    A57Redfish
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    Ford - Have fun being # 3 !!!!

    It's official...The biggest trashbuckets on the planet have slipped to # 3 in
    sales volume for 2003. Guess who's # 2? The world finally knows what we've
    known all along! Oh, and great marketing, too..."If you haven't looked at Ford
    lately,look again" Sounds like an admission of poorness for past production.
    That dumb stump jumper singing makes me cringe!

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    chuck
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    Re: Ford - Have fun being # 3 !!!!

    In article <aol.com>, A57Redfish wrote: 

    Personally, I have 3 Toyotas (2 4runners and a Toy RV) and a
    1994 Ford F-150 (for work). I have no problems with the Ford
    truck other than rust. The Ford I-6 was a great engine.

    This news is quite old and you're also quite uninformed. If
    you include Ford's 1/3 ownership of Mazda, they're still #2.

    Keep in mind, the only Ford I'd own are truck or vans. Next
    time on the road, keep a count of *work* vehicles on the
    roads and see how many Fords you see.

    Oh, one more thing. When the do break, and all vehicles
    even Toyotas break, the price of parts don't break your
    wallet like a Toyota. In fact, that is my only gripe about
    Toyotas; the cost of parts when you have to go to the
    dealership.

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    TOM
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    Re: Ford - Have fun being # 3 !!!!

    chuck wrote:
     

    It's a good thing Toyotas don't need a lot of repairs unless they're
    mistreated. Remember, FORD stands for Fix Or Repair Daily... :>))

    Tom...

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    MDT
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    Re: Ford - Have fun being # 3 !!!!

    chuck wrote: 

    Not a gob of power, but OK torque. It was stout! 

    OK, shall we add Scion, Lexus, all industrial trucks including forklifts? 

    Toyota doesnt build 3/4 or 1 tons. But hang tough, they WILL have a
    truck that will compete with the F350 in size and power. We have already
    been told all shop hoist need to have a 10,000 lb rating for the future.
    Now this isnt for the work trucks total weight, but the truck with its
    work cargo. 


    I'd rather pay twice as much for a part that last twice as long instead
    of paying half, doing it twice and paying a mechanic to install it
    again. Oh, and they may cost more, but its not that bad. Regular parts
    are very competitive now. This is something Toyota has been working on
    for a while. It continues to get cheaper in cost. An example, TPS used
    to cost $200+, they are only $65 retail now. Same quality!

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    dirty
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    Re: Ford - Have fun being # 3 !!!!

    Guys, I have a Toyota and Ford pickup. In 10 years of each, the Toyota
    folder is full of oil changes, tires and timing belt. The Ford folder is 2"
    thick, has oil changes, tires, waterpump, radiator, AC compressor, AC 134a
    changeover due to unfound leaks, brakes calipers and a $2700 EOD
    transmission.

    If I had to guess, the lower price Ford with higher repairs is about the
    same as the premium price of a very deluxe 4x4 sr5 Toyota pickup when new.
    In fact the Toyota was so expensive, I'm shocked I or anyone would buy it.


    "chuck" <localdomain> wrote in message
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    wrote: 
    3 in 
    we've 
    at Ford 
    production. 



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    jester
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    Re: Ford - Have fun being # 3 !!!!

    Funny... I had a slightly used Ford Ranger... and sold it because it
    was crap...

    Then I bought a brand spanking new, truck of my dreams, a Toyota
    Tundra... and had it bought back through the Lemon Law because it was
    unfixable crap... (18 times back for the same 4 issues over 11 months)

    Took the cash and got a full size from the #1 truck maker (Do I need to
    say Chevy here)... only change the oil, rotate the tires, and fill up
    the windshield washer fluid...


    A57Redfish wrote: 

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    davidj92
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    Re: Ford - Have fun being # 3 !!!!

    dirty rat 753 wrote: 

    If all costs weigh out the same as yours have, the end result will always be
    the Toyota has a higher resale value than a Ford, which makes it cost less
    in the long run.
    The best Fords I've ever seen is their new line of SD with the diesel. The
    engines hang tough, get good fuel mileage and don't require much
    maintenance. The new trans is supposed to be tougher than the E40D, we put
    two of the 2003's with the new trans in the fleet last year so we should
    know in a couple more years.
    All the rest of the truck seems to require more maintenance than a Toyota as
    it always has.
    davidj92



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    slug
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    Re: Ford - Have fun being # 3 !!!!


    "jester" <REMOVE.rr.com> wrote in message

    only change the oil, rotate the tires, and fill up the windshield washer
    fluid...

    You don't buy gas? My truck would last forever, too, if it just sat around
    wiping windows.




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    TOM
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    Re: Ford - Have fun being # 3 !!!!

    jester wrote: 

    That still gets us back to the guy who had a friend who had a
    brother-in-law who had a grandfather who smoked 30 packs of cigarettes
    and lived to me 130 years old, thus proving that smoking is not bad for
    you... :>))

    One, or even two instances do not a trend make...

    Tom...

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    jester
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    Re: Ford - Have fun being # 3 !!!!

    True... but the trend I've seen is this:

    14000 miles in 11 mos on the Toyota and unfixable issues... People from
    the mothership descend to fix my problems... only to phone home to find
    the next highest ranking tech...
    Since going Chevy (yes I buy gas... but amazingly less than with the
    Toyota, and it's a bigger "less sophisticated" engine) I have put 13K on
    in 8 mos. with no issues...
    I also posted to a web forum and here regarding the Tundra when I
    started experiencing issues... What I found there was a sprinkling of
    people with unfixable break problems, unfixable and unexplainable
    clunks, blue smoke from the exhaust (I could go on)...
    My wife's Highlander is a peach... no problems there... and she loves
    (I think it's kinda fun to dive too)... Not knocking Toyota... I've
    seen Tacomas run forever...
    My experiences tell me the Tundra has some fundamental design issues...
    And those issues I experienced were not simply mine, I found them
    repeated in other forums by other drivers... More so than 1 or 2
    instances, enough so I decided to enter into litigation and loose $$ on
    the deal because of the mileage at turn in... I didn't want to be
    paying the bills when the truck came out of warranty.



    TOM wrote:
     


 

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