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Ford Focus: Focus TDCi starting problems.

  1. #1
    Gary
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    Focus TDCi starting problems.

    This post is for the benefit of anyone else experiencing a problem whereby
    their TDCi will crank but not fire, but fire up OK the second time. Lots of
    other people seem to be having the problem over the last few years, myself
    included.

    Anyone doing research on Google may be interested to know that I had the
    starter motor and crank shaft position sensor replaced, but this did not
    cure the problem. However last week they finally found two fault codes in
    the system. One was relating to the Fuel Rail Pressure Sensor, and the other
    to the Injectors. They cleaned the connections on the sensor, as they
    reckoned it was a connection problem rather than failure of the sensor. For
    the injectors, they reprogrammed the injector ID codes back into the system,
    as it seemed to have lost them.

    Having driven the car for a week now it does seem to start more confidently
    and is certainly a lot more perky than it's been for a while. Won't know if
    this has definitely cured it for another month or so, but thought this info
    might be of use to someone.



    Gary.



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    Gary
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    Re: Focus TDCi starting problems.

    "Gary McClean" <yahoo.com> wrote in message
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    Unfortunately I must report that the starting problem has reoccured again.
    And now the increase in performance seen after the injector code
    reprogramming, is most definitely gone. The dealer ran a full diagnostic on
    the car and found no problems. They also think it's driving fine, but I'm
    certain that it's not. There was a very noticable torque increase after the
    original work they done, which suddenly disappeared after the latest failed
    start. I'm 100% certain of this. I can't convince them of this however,
    unless a fault code shows up to point them in some direction. It seems
    therefore that the suspected FRP sensor connection wasn't the problem. I did
    hear an arching/buzzing type noise coming from a central location behind the
    dashboard on several occassions, but this didn't seem to mean anything to
    them either, and of course it only happens once in a while too...

    If anyone reading this has any suggestions, I'd be mighty grateful, because
    I'm slowly coming to the conclusion that I'd be better off trading it in and
    getting something other than a Ford!


    Cheers,


    Gary.



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    Tim..
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    Re: Focus TDCi starting problems.


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    I would definately insist they change the FRPS and also check the EGR valve.
    Whilst the later will not cause a no-start it will hamper performance.

    All TDCi EGR valves are well known to be leaky and faulty at an early age.
    Blanking it off is the best solution but your dealer may not want to do
    that.

    Tim..



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    Gary
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    Re: Focus TDCi starting problems.

    "Tim.." <com> wrote in message
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    Hi Tim.

    Thanks for the advice. Again! My dealer won't do anything more unless they
    get diagnostic codes. They don't seem to be very flexible that way, and I've
    already had to write to their head office to get this far, so I'll do that
    again and suggest they change the FRPS and check the EGR valve. The
    performance was spot on after the injector code reprogramming, but they
    wouldn't even check that when I was in unless a fault code told them to! Had
    consistently sloppy service from them over the past three years, but
    unfortunately they've bought up almost all the independant Ford Dealers in
    Northern Ireland, so I'm a bit stuck. This is a Ford Chairmans Award winning
    company too...

    Is there anything I could do myself with this? i.e. buy the sensor and fit
    it myself? I wouldn't start any major dismantling work, but if it's a plug
    in and go job, or some relatively simple mechanics, I'm compentent enough to
    handle that. Also, do you know if you need a Ford WDS2000 to do things like
    reprogram injector codes, or would a local independant mechanic be likely to
    have similar equipment? Cos I'm guessing the parts can't be that expensive,
    and that the problem has to be something simple to do with the engine
    electronics, and if I can pay a guy a modest amount to get it all sorted I'd
    be happy to do that, and get stuck into Lindsay Ford about it all later!

    Thanks again for your advice here and in previous posts. Certainly strikes
    me that yourself is a lot more helpful than my dealer, and they're being
    paid to be helpful!



    Gary.



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    Tim..
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    Re: Focus TDCi starting problems.


    "Gary McClean" <yahoo.com> wrote in message
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    Fault codes are not there for diagnosing problems- they are for pointing you
    in the right direction. Many many drivability problems will not set any
    fault codes, because the ECU does not see a signal that is erroneous or out
    of range.

    Find yourself another dealer who will work on the car without being
    dependant on his FCR!
     
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    You cannot do anything without the FDS unit alas, recalibrating the
    injectors is certainly a no no!You can read any codes through the instrument
    panel though.

    You can replace the FRPS if you are fairly skilled. As you know the common
    rail runs at a blindingly high pressure and the fuel mist from a leak is
    both invisble and will penetrate human skin even from a distance such is the
    pressure. Beware. Work only on the system after the engine has been
    stationary for 6+hrs and after carefully depressurizing the rail. Otherwise
    the FRPS is a remove and replace operation. The engine will require quite
    abit of cranking to re-start after the work- do not touch the thorttle pedal
    and crank it in long bursts.

    Tim..



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    iceman564
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    Re: Re: Focus TDCi starting problems.

    "Tim..1" wrote: 

    okay , forgive me my writing errors,sinds i am not english.

    i have 2 things for u to check:

    1:empty your fuelfilter in a glass,and see if ther are metal pecies in
    it.
    it is a well know problem in europe.

    2: find out if the camshaftsensor puts out a 6 volt signal.
    if so you can get a wireset to put the sensor on 12 volt.
    this is an importand signal for the cpu .and also a know problem.

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    Gary
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    Re: Re: Focus TDCi starting problems.

    "iceman564" <com> wrote in message 

    Hi there, and many thanks for your reply. Number 1 has been tried, and ruled
    out some time ago, and number 2 was rectified late last year! I haven't had
    time to follow this up yet, but was in the process of composing a letter to
    Ford when they actually rang to check on my case. They are going to talk to
    the garage, and to Ford Technical. If I find out anything which could be of
    use to someone else, I'll post it back here.

    Thanks again,


    Gary.




 

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