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  1. #1
    Beth
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    Flaky charging system issue in 89 P/U

    1989 P/U, 2WD, Carbureted, 4 speed manual. California Model.

    I've got an intermittent charging system problem. It usually happens
    after/during a good rain. It's definitely the alternator not switching
    on. I pulled the main lead going to the battery, put a volt meter
    between it and the positive side of the battery to bypass any short. I
    grounded the F terminal to switch on the alternator and bypass the
    regulator. No go. No charge. The alternator isn't kicking in. The engine
    is spinning faster. When it does kick in, the engine RPM goes down a
    little under the load. So, alternator suspect. Here's the thing: I have
    had the alternator checked twice and it's within spec.

    So, I did some studying and took some readings. Here's what I got:

    At the alternator 3 wire plug, there is 12.5V going to the S (voltage
    sensor on regulator) and L (load, iirc) terminals. There's about 3.8V
    going to the IG terminal. Across the 7.5 amp fuse labeled CHARGE, it
    also reads 3.8V. The electric choke heating coil (at least that's what
    the wiring diagram is calling it and it is going to the carb/aircleaner)
    is also on that circuit, from what I've read on the wiring diagram. I
    went through the wiring and traced a ~1V drop back to the engine side of
    the connector that goes to the choke heater (~11.8V). It should read
    about 12.6V as it goes straight back to the battery. So, I'd imagine
    there's a short in the circuit. Of course, after I wiggled wires while I
    was connecting and disconnecting stuff, the voltage jumped up to 12.6V
    at the terminal and IG jumped up to 4.5V and the alternator now kicks
    in. If I disconnect the choke heater coil, the voltage at IG kicks up to
    ~11.8V because the choke heater coil is now out of the circuit. Still,
    the alternator doesn't kick in. So, I assume that you're supposed to be
    reading about 4.5V at IG. Argh. Assumptions.

    Hypothesis 1: Intermittent short in circuit containing the alternator IG
    terminal and the choke heating coil, causing drop in voltage in circuit.
    The IC in the regulator probably senses a voltage range and 3.8V is
    below its range to tell it that the ignition is on. So, the IC doesn't
    trip the proper transistor that sends current to the alternator rotor
    coil, even through it's getting a good 12.6V at the S/sensor terminal
    because it doesn't "think" the ignition is on at all.

    Hypothesis 2: Although the voltage is a little low due to an
    intermittent short, the regulator is slightly defective or just going
    bad and should be sensing 3.8V and sending current to the ignition coil
    or something down those lines.

    So, on the wiring side, trace back wires to fuse box, strip off wiring
    loom tape if needed, find short or excess resistance in a connection and
    fix. On the regulator side...um, give it a stiff kick in the teeth?

    Am I barking up the right tree?

    TIA.

    -Beth


  2. #2
    Paul
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  3. #3
    Beth
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    Re: Flaky charging system issue in 89 P/U

    Beth wrote:
     

    [snip]

    oops. i mean AMMETER. duh. checking for current flow.

    -Beth


  4. #4
    Paul
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    Re: Anyone have the programming instructions for SecuriKey+ ?

    I have a copy of the SecuriKey+ Programming and Troubleshooting Manual. If
    you still need it I can scan it and email it to you.

    Does anyone out there have the operating instruction for this security
    system?

    Paul
    Phoenix, AZ 



  5. #5
    gregory
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    Re: Flaky charging system issue in 89 P/U


    Beth wrote:
     

    THis is by far the most likely cause, especially if the alternator is
    original. Had a similar issue with my 89 V6, the easy test was to
    disconnect the battery (which can also act as a voltage regulator) while
    the engine was running. Everything goes dark: regulator. If, instead,
    the lights start cycling dim/bright, probably a wiring issue.

    lycka till!
    GTr

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  6. #6
    Beth
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    Re: Flaky charging system issue in 89 P/U

    gregory trimper wrote: 

    thanks. btw, it was the L terminal that is getting the low voltage,
    which is connected to the charge lamp, the choke heater coil, etc. i
    think it's wiring _and_ possibly a flaky regulator. if it wasn't so damn
    windy out, i'd go work on it. frickin' vehicle. i love it but this is
    driving me nuts.

    -Beth


  7. #7
    Bruce
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    Re: Flaky charging system issue in 89 P/U

    On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:07:05 GMT, gregory trimper
    <net> wrote:
     

    Kids, DO NOT try that at home!! Don't EVER disconnect the battery
    on purpose while the engine is running, the alternator can surge WAY
    above 13.8V and start blowing out lots of very expensive stuff - like
    the ECU, the fuel pump, the radiator fan, the heater fan, all the
    lights...

    --<< Bruce >>--

    --
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    Electrician for Westend Electric - CA726700
    5737 Kanan Rd. #359, Agoura CA 91301 (818) 889-9545
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  8. #8
    Jeff
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    Re: Flaky charging system issue in 89 P/U

    If you have close to 100K on it the alternator brushes may be worn out.
    This will cause intermittent charging and other flaky stuff. I think you
    can buy just a set of new brushes for about $10 - $20 and see if that fixes
    it. It worked for my 84 Truck and I put another 170K (it was at about 90K)
    with no further issues.

    --
    -WJB


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  9. #9
    TacomaDude
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    Re: Flaky charging system issue in 89 P/U



    Bruce L. Bergman wrote: 
     



    well with a 22R he doesn't have a ECU, electric fuel pump, nor radiator
    fan :-) At least my 85 22R non-California model doesn't.



  10. #10
    gregory
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    Re: Flaky charging system issue in 89 P/U


    Bruce L. Bergman wrote:
     

    Theory and practice. Yes, in theory, there can be a sudden surge in
    voltage with the loss of the load, which then might, possibly, cause
    other damage. However, in practice, extremely unlikely and a
    field-proven technique.

    Only take risks with which you feel comfortable, of course.

    GTr



 

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