Toyota Prius: EPA Lowers Prius Mileage Estimate - Feds' Findings Confirm Consumer Complaints

<net> wrote in message
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Let's see... would I want a car that gets 45 mpg around town or one that
gets 15 or 20 (again, real world)? Decisions, decisions....

Mike

In article <net>,
"Michael Pardee" <com> wrote:
 

On thing that this article completely misses is that the new EPA
standards affect all vehicles that are currently covered by them. So,
when the Prius goes from 60 MPG to 45 MPH, a 30 MPG car will go to 23 or
24 MPG (depending on whether they round or truncate fractions), and the
Hummer will go from 13 to 9 or 10 MPG.

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> "Michelle Steiner" wrote: 

Plus, wasn't it the EPA who began the 60 mpg test figures and not Toyota?

Oh, I like the new V8 muscle car Ford is making following the design of the
Mustang. Again, the US automakers wonder why?

B~

<net> wrote in message
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Can't do much about spilled milk, so I would think a lot of future Prius
buyers will be pleasantly surprised how much more they get than the EPA
sticker. Unfortunately, buyers of traditional cars won't be so lucky.
Here in Agawam MA one can get a ticket for letting their car idle for 5
minutes or more. I suppose something like this would be hard to enforce but
the gist of it brings to everyone's attention how wasteful it is to do
otherwise. I think the Prius is exempt from this ruling
mark_

Michelle Steiner wrote: 

My 2000 Avalon was rated 29/19 and got 22.5 (measured with logbook at
the gas pump) on the same commute my 2007 Prius gets 45. Myself and many
others routinely exceeded the EPA ratings in Avalons without going to
any extremes. My last two tanks of gas in the Avalon were 30.5 and 29.5 MPG.

There is/was something about the EPA city tests that the Prius was able
to take advantage of, that human drivers can not. Is a gross mistake to
extrapolate the Prius EPA ratings to all other vehicles.

The Prius EPA highway rating appears to be about right.

David Kelly <com> wrote:
 

The original EPA test involved:

1) many stops
2) average speed less than 30 mph in city
3) average highway speed ~48 mph

This is the driving profile of 40 years ago in rural, small towns not
served by interstates. These small towns had nearly universal speed
limits of 25 mph and at the city limits, two-lane, 55-60 mph roads. But
over time, population shifts, traffic management and road improvements
changed how we drive.

The hybrid drive excels at in the original scenario. The specific
savings are: (1) auto-stop when coming to a stop, and (2) automatic
switching between ICE and EV power. To achieve simular results, I
modified my commute route to maximize driving in simular to EPA profiles
and it has become easy to replicate the EPA results.

Bob Wilson

"Bob Wilson" <com> wrote in message
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In some respect yes, in other respects no. In summer I can meet the highway
figure for any trip longer than 30 miles by driving 55 mph (wind
not-with-standing) but on shorter trips I can't overcome the warm-up penalty
that quickly. I can meet the city figure only after I get out of the
warm-up penalty box and, unfortunately, my commutes to town (3 miles at 55
mph) doesn't get me back on the ice. In the winter, I can't meet either
figure, but I only lose about 10%.

Bill <now> wrote:
 
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What year or model?

Some of us are working on the problem for the 2001-2003 models:

http://hiwaay.net/~bzwilson/prius/pri_temp.html

Sorry about the poor English. Some was quoted from friends overseas and
I haven't take a lot of time to edit everything down due to other time
constraints.

Bob Wilson