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  1. #1
    HachiRoku
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    Engine Question, 3.3, crossed to a.a.toyota

    Because there are some sharp techs in .toyota (right, tegger,mdt?)

    Anyway, here's the deal: 1992 Plymouth Grand Voyager, 3.3 litre, AWD, all
    power, etc. Great body, AWD works, really good shape, 122,000 miles. Now,
    the problem. Makes a very loud ticking sound from the top of the cylinder
    bank nearest the firewall. If you listen to Car Talk, you know the sound
    (Click and Clack, but VERY loud). Guy says he's been driving it for 12,000
    miles this way. Engine runs strong. My mechanic won't work on Chryslers,
    says this can be involved. Has anyone had this problem, can tell me what
    it is, and what I'm looking at to fix it. Other than this, the van is Very
    Good. Hopefully, it won't break the bank to fix it.

    Alternately: For Sale, 1992 Plymouth Gran Voyager, 122,000 miles good
    shape needs engine work, $800....

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    maxpower
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    Re: Engine Question, 3.3, crossed to a.a.toyota

    Well, it sounds like a bad lifter or the oil galley is stopped up and is
    getting ready to break the rocker arm mount, common problem with this engine
    if the oil changes are neglected
    Glenn beasley
    Chrysler Tech
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  3. #3
    HachiRoku
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    Re: Engine Question, 3.3, crossed to a.a.toyota

    On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 07:25:07 -0500, maxpower wrote:
     

    First guess was a bad lifter. Nobody I know wants to have a look!(One tech
    just laffed at me, chuckling "Chrysler" as he did!)

    Is there a quick fix? Like I said the guy I got it from said it's been
    doing it for 12,000 miles!
     


  4. #4
    TeGGer®
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    Re: Engine Question, 3.3, crossed to a.a.toyota

    Agree with maxpower. Valve lifter problem here. Ever had the valve covers
    off? How much sludge?

    It should be pretty easy to isolate the noise to one of the valve covers
    with a stethoscope. Pull it off and check it out.

    Don't know specifically this engine, but some engines carry oil to the
    valve train through tubular lines. If you have hydraulic lifters (a
    favorite of American manufacturers), similar problems. Sludge either of
    those up and your valve train is starved for oil. Only a matter of time
    then before something breaks. And you don't wanna know what that would cost
    to fix...

    --TeGGeR®


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    HachiRoku
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    Re: Engine Question, 3.3, crossed to a.a.toyota

    On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 00:45:55 +0000, TeGGer® wrote:
     

    Oh, I don't need a stethoscope, you can hear it loud and clear; cylinder
    bank closest to the firewall, to the right of center. Ok, I'll ask you:
    any way to fix it easily, or at least hold of major damage for a few
    thousand miles? I'm only going to be driving it about 7,000 a year, would
    like to get a couple years out of it (although the body is SOLID! and it
    doesn't have the usual Chrysler tranny problems...)

    Of course, it's the cylinder bank that you have to remove the intake
    plenum for, it couldn't be the front...
     


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    Gene
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    Re: Engine Question, 3.3, crossed to a.a.toyota

    HachiRoku wrote:
     
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    Could be a cracked rocker arm tower in the cylinder head.

    See:

    http://www.allpar.com/mopar/33.html

    Go toward the bottom of the page, "Rocker arms / rocker arm pedestal
    breakage."

    Fixing mine using the shortcut method described cost about $300 but that
    was on an LH car with excellent access, and included inspection of the
    other head for cracking in the same place, fortunately didn't find any;
    and replacing both banks' valve cover gaskets, which were leaking anyway.

    Doing it on the rear bank of a minivan could be awkward.

    -GP

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    TeGGer®
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    Re: Engine Question, 3.3, crossed to a.a.toyota

    HachiRoku <GTS> sprach im news:PtBld.1323$063.362@trndny03:

     


    Probably not. If the oil feed is impaired, your valve train will wreck
    itself in short order.

    Keep an eye on the oil. If is starts to show silvery streaks, major damage
    has already occurred.

     


    Won't get that if the valve train is starved of oil.

     


    Pull the front cover. If there's sludge in that, there's sludge in the
    other.

    Is this a pushrod or OHC motor? If it's OHC, it's possible there is an oil
    feed rail that can be unbolted and cleaned out. Again, I don't know if this
    engine has hydraulic lifters or not.

    --
    TeGGeR®


  8. #8
    HachiRoku
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    Re: Engine Question, 3.3, crossed to a.a.toyota

    On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 06:39:10 +0000, TeGGer® wrote:
     

    Oooh, he don't know me very well. He'll find out. When somebody asks me,
    is it the good one or the bad one, it's *always* the bad one! Of course
    it's pushrod (hmmmm..interesting...I've been told the engine has a timing
    belt...) and that they are notorius for having bad rockers. Maybe I'll
    luck out and it'll just be a rocker going bad...but I doubt it.

    I called a guy I know who's a Chrysler guy, he has two of them I was
    scavaging parts off for the last one I had (gave it back to the guy who
    gave it to me, he decided he needed it after all...229,000 and ran like a
    watch ) The only 3.3 he had was flood damaged and seized, otherwise
    "...I'd just give it to you..."


  9. #9
    HachiRoku
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    Re: Engine Question, 3.3, crossed to a.a.toyota

    On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 21:55:48 -0800, Gene Poon wrote:
     

    Wow. I had actually found that page on my own but missed the relevance of
    the fix described. Thanks!


 

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