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Ferrari: Duffin's Europe Trip

  1. #1
    LIW
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    Duffin's Europe Trip

    I just happened to look at the photographs of Duffin (and Gretchen)
    travelling over the Swiss Alps in his 308. What a terrific trip that looked
    like!!

    I'm curious as to whether the performance of the 308 changed much in
    response to "cold air induction" or "air starvation". I read about these
    as theoretical changes, but was curious as to how a real 308 performed in
    those real conditions.

    I'm also curious as to what tires you had on the car in those snow pictures,
    and how they performed.

    Happy Holidays,
    Larry



  2. #2
    Paul
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    Re: Duffin's Europe Trip

    LIW wrote: 


    Damn straight!
     


    Well, she does seem to fly, but that's probably a rather emotional and
    subjective evaluation :-)

    Sorry I can't be more scientific about it, but what I can say with
    confidence is that at great altitude she does miss, pop and bang
    a bit, which can be a tad distracting mid-bend.

    I'll tell you this though, Ferraris are MADE to drive in the Alps!
     

    Goodyear Eagle F1s. On the ice the nose slid out gently at first,
    followed neatly by the arse. All very dramatic - even at the 5mph
    I was doing at the time (try sliding towards the edge of a chasm at
    *any* speed. Trust me, it tightens the ol' rectum).

    The F1s are great tyres - I ran on the standard Michelins for years
    (until I could no longer source any) and then had to swap out the
    wheels.... I was sorry to lose the riding high '80s supercar tyre' look,
    but on the lower profile sections, she is much more 'taught' and
    inspires even more confidence than she used to (which I had thought
    would be imopossible).

    Anyhoooooo.... sorry, Larry, I don't think I've been remotely
    informative. Guess you'll have to try it yourself one day :-)



    -Paul
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  3. #3
    matt
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    Re: Duffin's Europe Trip


    "Paul" <made.up.com> wrote in message
     


    I can't tell you how it warms my heart to see you
    type those words...




    -Matt- "F**kin' A!"





  4. #4
    Paul
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    Re: Duffin's Europe Trip

    matt borland wrote: 


    You betcha!


    -Paul

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  5. #5
    Harold
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    Re: Duffin's Europe Trip

    On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 18:46:32 GMT, "LIW" <net> wrote: 

    OH! For F*ck's Sake...

    There is _nothing_ even remotely "theoretical" about the actual
    effects of the reduced density of warmer air, and ambient air at
    higher altitudes, on the performance of naturally aspirated IC
    engines.

    Warm air, rarified air: Less dense, less oxygen, reduced power.

    SEE: Physical Chemistry For Dummies, at your local bookstore.

    See Also: Empirical.

    See, In Addition: The Complete Idiot's Guide To Carburetor Jetting.


  6. #6
    Paul
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    Re: Duffin's Europe Trip

    Harold Adrian Russell Philby wrote: 

    <sigh> Do you actually know which side of your bed is the right
    one to get out of in the morning?
     

    FYI, a 308 quattrovalvole is FI (althought the end results don't differ
    greatly)


    Paul
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  7. #7
    LIW
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    Re: Duffin's Europe Trip


    "Harold Adrian Russell Philby" <co.ru> wrote in message
    news:com... 
    looked 
    these 

    Harold:

    You see, the difference between asking you the question, and asking Paul, is
    that he actually owns the car, and actually drove it over the passes. He
    can, and did, give me an actual answer of to both of my questions based
    upon his actual experience, which is what I asked.

    You, as usual, gave some fuckwit condescension from your parlor book on less
    than steller insults, based, apparently on some deep seated need for
    attention.

    Now, if you don't mind....... the grown ups are talking.....go back to your
    room and play with your carburetor jets.



  8. #8
    LIW
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    Re: Duffin's Europe Trip


    "Paul" <made.up.com> wrote in message
    news:4MYzd.7558827$easynews.com... 

    Why bother? His need to pontificate will not be easily swayed by either
    facts or actual first hand experience.

    In any event. I really enjoyed your pictures, and I saw your former
    answer, which is really what I was wondering.

    Next question. Do you find that the later 308 Quattrovole is much different
    in engine response than the early 328, if you've had a chance to do a hands
    on comparison? I've driven the 328, but not the 308.

    Regards,
    Larry



  9. #9
    Paul
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    Re: Duffin's Europe Trip

    LIW wrote:
     

    I'm afraid that I haven't driven a 328, but I have *some* experience in that
    I
    have both been a passenger in Iaiaiaiaiain's (great hangover cure) and have
    <cough> chased one or two, including Iaiaian's (note the gradual reduction
    in 'ia's - by the end of this post I might even write it correctly). Based
    on
    these slightly less than scientific comparisons, I would say that the 328
    has
    an edge, but it is slight, and most pronounced at the top end. I doubt that
    scooting them about under 80-90mph would show much difference at all,
    but as you get towards and beyond 100, the longer legs on the 328 start
    to show.

    I should add, that whilst my 308 is well run in, Iaiain's (nearly!) has
    still
    to reach it's first service, so things might still be a little tight in
    there. Also
    his probably doesn't reach full temperature on the way to the end of his
    road and back (some 500 metres), which might again have an effect.

    (tee-hee!)

    If you were looking to buy one or the other, I'd say:

    308qv: great 70's style (chrome bits, groovy door release!), perhaps
    closer to the original design concept. Costs less than a 328 to purchase
    (but a little more to service - some parts being more 'unique than on the
    328).

    328: final tweak in the series, most 'sorted', bit faster, more 80's in
    appearance (but looks younger). Slightly more headroom (I'm told, but
    seemed about the same to me).

    In conclusion, I'd say that when purchasing, an 'excellent' example of
    either
    is better than a 'good' example of the other. And thus, I have to say that
    I'd choose Iaian's over mine, were I buying afresh (but would I swap now,
    in the unlikely event that Iain [HOORAH!] offered.... hmmm.....

    ....tricky....


    ....very tricky...


    ....um...


    -Paul
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  10. #10
    Harold
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    Re: Duffin's Europe Trip

    On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 20:56:58 GMT, "LIW" <net> wrote: 

    His actual experience, whether driving a 308 or a Yugo, is that the
    higher he got the less power his engine produced, as engines are
    usually rated at sea level and relatively cool temperatures to begin
    with..
     

    Ignoring science will *eventually* make a fool of you.
     

    ....A car lover would know what they are.



 

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