Ferrari: Duffin's Europe Trip
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Duffin's Europe Trip
I just happened to look at the photographs of Duffin (and Gretchen)
travelling over the Swiss Alps in his 308. What a terrific trip that looked
like!!
I'm curious as to whether the performance of the 308 changed much in
response to "cold air induction" or "air starvation". I read about these
as theoretical changes, but was curious as to how a real 308 performed in
those real conditions.
I'm also curious as to what tires you had on the car in those snow pictures,
and how they performed.
Happy Holidays,
Larry
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Re: Duffin's Europe Trip
LIW wrote:
Damn straight!
Well, she does seem to fly, but that's probably a rather emotional and
subjective evaluation :-)
Sorry I can't be more scientific about it, but what I can say with
confidence is that at great altitude she does miss, pop and bang
a bit, which can be a tad distracting mid-bend.
I'll tell you this though, Ferraris are MADE to drive in the Alps!
Goodyear Eagle F1s. On the ice the nose slid out gently at first,
followed neatly by the arse. All very dramatic - even at the 5mph
I was doing at the time (try sliding towards the edge of a chasm at
*any* speed. Trust me, it tightens the ol' rectum).
The F1s are great tyres - I ran on the standard Michelins for years
(until I could no longer source any) and then had to swap out the
wheels.... I was sorry to lose the riding high '80s supercar tyre' look,
but on the lower profile sections, she is much more 'taught' and
inspires even more confidence than she used to (which I had thought
would be imopossible).
Anyhoooooo.... sorry, Larry, I don't think I've been remotely
informative. Guess you'll have to try it yourself one day :-)
-Paul
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Re: Duffin's Europe Trip
"Paul" <made.up.com> wrote in message
I can't tell you how it warms my heart to see you
type those words...
-Matt- "F**kin' A!"
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Re: Duffin's Europe Trip
matt borland wrote:
You betcha!
-Paul
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Re: Duffin's Europe Trip
On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 18:46:32 GMT, "LIW" <net> wrote:
OH! For F*ck's Sake...
There is _nothing_ even remotely "theoretical" about the actual
effects of the reduced density of warmer air, and ambient air at
higher altitudes, on the performance of naturally aspirated IC
engines.
Warm air, rarified air: Less dense, less oxygen, reduced power.
SEE: Physical Chemistry For Dummies, at your local bookstore.
See Also: Empirical.
See, In Addition: The Complete Idiot's Guide To Carburetor Jetting.
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Re: Duffin's Europe Trip
Harold Adrian Russell Philby wrote:
<sigh> Do you actually know which side of your bed is the right
one to get out of in the morning?
FYI, a 308 quattrovalvole is FI (althought the end results don't differ
greatly)
Paul
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Re: Duffin's Europe Trip
"Harold Adrian Russell Philby" <co.ru> wrote in message
news:com...
looked
these
Harold:
You see, the difference between asking you the question, and asking Paul, is
that he actually owns the car, and actually drove it over the passes. He
can, and did, give me an actual answer of to both of my questions based
upon his actual experience, which is what I asked.
You, as usual, gave some fuckwit condescension from your parlor book on less
than steller insults, based, apparently on some deep seated need for
attention.
Now, if you don't mind....... the grown ups are talking.....go back to your
room and play with your carburetor jets.
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Re: Duffin's Europe Trip
"Paul" <made.up.com> wrote in message
news:4MYzd.7558827$easynews.com...
Why bother? His need to pontificate will not be easily swayed by either
facts or actual first hand experience.
In any event. I really enjoyed your pictures, and I saw your former
answer, which is really what I was wondering.
Next question. Do you find that the later 308 Quattrovole is much different
in engine response than the early 328, if you've had a chance to do a hands
on comparison? I've driven the 328, but not the 308.
Regards,
Larry
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Re: Duffin's Europe Trip
LIW wrote:
I'm afraid that I haven't driven a 328, but I have *some* experience in that
I
have both been a passenger in Iaiaiaiaiain's (great hangover cure) and have
<cough> chased one or two, including Iaiaian's (note the gradual reduction
in 'ia's - by the end of this post I might even write it correctly). Based
on
these slightly less than scientific comparisons, I would say that the 328
has
an edge, but it is slight, and most pronounced at the top end. I doubt that
scooting them about under 80-90mph would show much difference at all,
but as you get towards and beyond 100, the longer legs on the 328 start
to show.
I should add, that whilst my 308 is well run in, Iaiain's (nearly!) has
still
to reach it's first service, so things might still be a little tight in
there. Also
his probably doesn't reach full temperature on the way to the end of his
road and back (some 500 metres), which might again have an effect.
(tee-hee!)
If you were looking to buy one or the other, I'd say:
308qv: great 70's style (chrome bits, groovy door release!), perhaps
closer to the original design concept. Costs less than a 328 to purchase
(but a little more to service - some parts being more 'unique than on the
328).
328: final tweak in the series, most 'sorted', bit faster, more 80's in
appearance (but looks younger). Slightly more headroom (I'm told, but
seemed about the same to me).
In conclusion, I'd say that when purchasing, an 'excellent' example of
either
is better than a 'good' example of the other. And thus, I have to say that
I'd choose Iaian's over mine, were I buying afresh (but would I swap now,
in the unlikely event that Iain [HOORAH!] offered.... hmmm.....
....tricky....
....very tricky...
....um...
-Paul
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Re: Duffin's Europe Trip
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 20:56:58 GMT, "LIW" <net> wrote:
His actual experience, whether driving a 308 or a Yugo, is that the
higher he got the less power his engine produced, as engines are
usually rated at sea level and relatively cool temperatures to begin
with..
Ignoring science will *eventually* make a fool of you.
....A car lover would know what they are.
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