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Mazda Miata: Dimming for add-on gauges.

  1. #1
    Grant
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    Dimming for add-on gauges.

    I'm trying to figure out which wires in the stereo harness to
    use to power the lights in some add-on guages.

    In the stereo connector pinout at
    http://www.gweep.net/~sfoskett/miata/audiopins/ there are two
    pins labelled:

    Pulsed Dimmer (TNS+)

    Inverted Dimming

    I'm guessing based on info at
    http://www.scuderiaciriani.com/rx7/electrical_wiring.html#DIM
    that one of these pins is connected to +12V when the dash
    lights are on (TNS+), and the other (Inverted Dimming) is an
    active-low PWM dimmer signal, so I want to connect my guages'
    light bulbs between those two lines.

    Can anybody confirm what these two lines are?

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  2. #2
    Lanny
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    Re: Dimming for add-on gauges.

    In article <4107fe42$0$65608$visi.com>,
    Grant Edwards <com> wrote:
     

    It may help you to know that the Miata dash dimmer works by varying the
    duty cycle of the *ground* to each bulb--the "dimmer" is actually an
    oscillator, not a potentiometer. All bulbs are always hot on the +12V
    side.

    Unless your aftermarket gauges have dedicated ground wires that do not
    ground anything but the bulbs, you'll need to add a separate pot to dim
    them by reducing the hot-side voltage.

    --
    Lanny Chambers, St. Louis, USA
    '94C
    the alignment page:
    http://www.hummingbirds.net/alignment.html

  3. #3
    Joachim
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    Re: Dimming for add-on gauges.

    Lanny Chambers wrote on 7/28/2004 13:21: 

    Or add some electronics, e.g., an inverter with a capacitor.
    Basically, just a transistor, and a couple of resistors and capacitors.
    But you gotta know about electronics a bit, of course.
    I've done that to dim my aftermarket radio/cd player. Works fine.

    -Joe

  4. #4
    Grant
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    Re: Dimming for add-on gauges.

    On 2004-07-28, Lanny Chambers <net> wrote:
     

    I know. I'm trying confirm which of the lines on the stereo
    connector is the active-low PWM line, and which is the switched
    +12V line.
     

    My other sources indicate that they're not. The +12 side is
    controlled by the "TNS" relay connected to the headlight switch
    (it's what turns on the dash lights when the parking lights or
    headlights are on). It's the labelling of "Pulsed Dimmer
    (TNS+)" that is confusing. There should be one switched +12V
    line and one active-low PWM line. The pinout I found has two
    pins labelled "dimmer" or "dimming":

    "Pulsed Dimmer (TNS+)" and "Inverted Dimming"

    I'm trying to confirm that the former is the +12V line
    controlled by the headlight switch and the latter is the
    active-low PWM line.
     

    They do.
     

    Ick. If I did have that problem, I'd put an NPN transister on
    the high-side of the bulb, and connect the base of the
    transistor through a resistor to the active-low PWM line.

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  5. #5
    Grant
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    Re: Dimming for add-on gauges.

    On 2004-07-28, Joachim Feise <net> wrote:
     

    Why is a capacitor needed? Here's what I would have tried:

    +12V
    |
    |
    ___ |/
    PWM --vvv--| PNP
    |\
    |
    Bulb
    |
    |
    gnd


    I think I said NPN in my previous post, but it should be a PNP

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  6. #6
    Lanny
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    Re: Dimming for add-on gauges.

    In article <41081b0f$0$65576$visi.com>,
    Grant Edwards <com> wrote:
     

    Right, that's what I meant to say. Sorry.
     

    Then you can simply parallel each wire off an existing instrument
    illumination bulb, no?

    You engineers...always aiming for "elegant", when "easy" would get you
    back onto the road quicker. Elegant is for winter projects, man! :-)

    --
    Lanny Chambers, St. Louis, USA
    '94C
    the alignment page:
    http://www.hummingbirds.net/alignment.html

  7. #7
    Joachim
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    Re: Dimming for add-on gauges.

    Grant Edwards wrote on 7/28/2004 14:44: 

    To make the output smoother. The input is a square wave,
    and I wanted not just invert the input, but flatten it.
    A plain inverter would work in your case because of the slow
    reaction times of light bulbs.
    With my radio illumination all LED-based, I didn't want the
    LEDs flickering, though...
    I don't have an oscilloscope anymore, so I went more with
    whatever I remembered from my college electronics class.

    -Joe

  8. #8
    Grant
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    Re: Dimming for add-on gauges.

    On 2004-07-29, Joachim Feise <net> wrote:
     

    I assumed that the frequency of the PWM was above that which
    was visible -- the same way you don't notice fluorescent lights
    flickering at 100Hz or 120Hz.
     

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  9. #9
    Pete
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    Re: Dimming for add-on gauges.

    "Grant Edwards" <com> wrote in message
    news:41090854$0$65608$visi.com... 

    Wow... I hadn't realized the U.S. had upgraded their electric supply
    system.
    Here in Canada, we're still at 60 Hz.

    Pete
    94BRG

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  10. #10
    pltrgyst
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    Re: Dimming for add-on gauges.

    On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 09:49:59 -0400, "Pete Breemhaar" <net>
    wrote:
     

    Heck, in Washington, DC, we're so far behind the times that we're still at 60
    cps.

    -- Larry



 

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