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Mazda Miata: Dead Battery

  1. #1
    Dave
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    Dead Battery

    I recently purchased a used '96 Miata with 61K. Love the car. I've put
    about 1000 miles on it during the past few weeks and everything has been
    perfect, until Saturday night...

    I stopped at a local tavern with a friend to get a bite to eat. A couple
    hours latee, we're getting ready to leave and the battery is dead. No
    hint in advance whatsoever. The condition was similar to what you would
    see if a connector on the battery had become badly corroded, but that was
    not the case. We push-started it and drove about 10 miles, ran great, all
    electrical worked fine (including all idiot lights), which would appear
    to rule out an alternator problem.

    Got home, turned it off, not enough power to crank the starter, not even
    a groan. I slap the charger on it and it doesn't want to charge because
    the battery reads 12.75 volts. There's enough power to run the radio, but
    turn on anything that draws amps and it's no-go.

    I put a meter between the battery positive and the battery cable and it
    seems to be drawing 6 milliamps cold, which I understand is within specs
    since I don't have an alarm system. That appears to rule out a short.

    I tried to jump-start it with a '95 Accord and couldn't quite get it
    started, the starter would turn a bit but I think the resistance of the
    jumper cables was too much to get enough amps from the Accord. Running
    the jump car for a while did not appear to charge the Miata battery at
    all (no surprise there given the driving experience).

    The battery appears to be a Mazda replacement acid unit (it's got vent
    hoses and there's a warning on the top about acid) but maybe I'm wrong
    about that. I haven't spoken to the previous owner. I'm left to conclude
    that it is a simple battery problem. Given the fact that I have to push-
    start it and can't turn restart it if I turn it off, I need to do
    something and replacing the battery is the quickest and least-expensive
    "fix."

    Any ideas? Thanks.

    dm

  2. #2
    chuckk
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    Re: Dead Battery

    http://www.westcobattery.com/miata.html


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  3. #3
    Larry
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    Re: Dead Battery

    Dave,

    You may need a new battery, but before you spend the money to replace it you
    might check the connections at the terminals. With the car running you
    should have at least 14 volts across the terminals. If you don't have 14
    volts, the alternator charging current is not getting back to the battery.
    Next, remove the wires from the terminals. Clean the connections with a wire
    brush or sand paper. Use a little grease on the connectors before
    reinstallation. Charging the battery over night with a 1 ampere trickle
    charger might bring it back to full operation.

    The Panasonic AGM battery originally supplied on the Miata is often good for
    10 years or more. the Westco replacement battery is usually the best choice
    if the battery needs replacement.


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  4. #4
    Mouse
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    Re: Dead Battery

    Dave:

    I'll just add to the good advice that you've been given, that my '96 needed
    a new battery in 2003. I remember reading (probably in this group) that
    later model Miata's (like ours) didn't get the 10 year battery service that
    lots of the earlier ones got--mine was the aforementioned Panasonic,
    however.

    The replacement battery arrived quickly from Westco (don't know how your UK
    experience will be), and other than the UPS man literally throwing it over
    my fence (landed on concrete!), it is a nice, stock-like, replacement. My
    Panasonic wasn't dead but wouldn't hold a charge over 2 weeks (the car sits
    sometimes)...not an issue with the replacement.

    Happy motoring,

    M

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  5. #5
    Leon
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    Re: Dead Battery

    "Larry Gadbois" <net> wrote:
     

    Vaseline, they used to tell me.

    Leon

     

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    To reply to me, the word Miata must be in the subject.
    EXIT THE INTERSTATES (Jamie Jensen)

  6. #6
    Larry
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    Re: Dead Battery

    :-)

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  7. #7
    Dave
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    Re: Dead Battery

    I wanted to follow up and thank those of you who replied.

    I brought the old battery to my local Autozone and they put it on their
    load-tester. A couple minutes later, it responded with a "Battery is
    Bad." I've never known whether to really believe those tests, but since
    this was the answer I was hoping for (easier/cheaper to replace the
    battery than to bring it to the dealer for analysis), I belived it. The
    tech also noted that there was a date-seal on the old Mazda lead-acid
    battery that indicated it was installed in 2001. Based on what I've read,
    3 years isn't an unreasonable life span.

    Anyhow, the surprising element of this was the fact that Autozone had an
    "original fit" replacement in stock for $80. It is part of their Duralast
    Gold prduct line (model 8AMU1R) that comes with an 8-year warranty, 3
    years free replacement. I'm guessing that's better than Mazda offers and
    it was a few dollars cheaper.

    Since the car was undriveable and it was a beautiful day to drive, I let
    my desire to fix it get in the way of ordering a replacement from WestCo.
    It seems like most folks view that as the best solution, but for those
    who are less patient, or simply prefer lead-acid, the Autozone option
    seems to be a pretty good one in light of the warantee.

    dm

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  8. #8
    Leon
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    Re: Dead Battery

    Dave Molta <edu> wrote:
     

    For an conventional lead acid.
     

    I do not know why people would prefer "lead-acid" if a Westco AGM
    cannot release corrosive or explosive acids and their fumes, hence
    is very safe in the trunk for both car and driver, frees up a bit
    of trunk space, is light, requires zero maintenance, and lasts ten
    years barring mistreatment.

    Not only does the long life of the AGM mean the cost per year
    is *much* lower, also you do not have to go through the hassle
    (and possible inconveniences) of dealing with a bad battery
    every three years.

    I guess to each his/her own.

    Leon and Bozo, make mine an AGM
     

    --
    Leon van Dommelen Bozo, the White 96 Sebring Miata .)
    To reply to me, the word Miata must be in the subject.
    EXIT THE INTERSTATES (Jamie Jensen)

  9. #9
    Frank
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    Re: Dead Battery


    "Leon van Dommelen" <net> wrote in message
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    Less charitably - it's sad to see what we can do with our ability to
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  10. #10
    Dave
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    Re: Dead Battery

    Give me a break on the preaching, guys.

    I explained my reasoning for not wanting to wait a week for a Westco
    battery. I posted my experience back to the group, after thanking
    everyone for input, because I suspect there are many others out there
    who, faced with a car that will not run, would prefer to fix the problem
    immediately rather than wait a week to mail order a part. Further, while
    I acknowledged that AGM batteries are technically superior to lead-acid,
    a high-quality lead-acid battery, properly vented as this one is, is
    quite serviceable on this car. And as you know, there are certain
    situations where an AGM unit can be prematurely killed. Yes, I understand
    the issues and how to avoid it, but what if my wife has the car,
    accidentally leaves the lights on, kills the battery, and calls AAA for a
    jump? Perhaps you feel I should educate her on the unique characteristics
    of AGM units. For the same price as the Westco, I have a battery with an
    8-year warranty and I was back on the road the same day. It's doubtful
    that I will still own the same car in 8 years, or even 3, which is the
    full-replacement warantee period. I read all the posts on Miata.net and
    nobody ever mentioned the Autozone battery, so I thought I would share
    the information.

    If my battery ever starts to gradually fade away and I have enough time
    to order a WestCo, I will certainly consider it.

    dm

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