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Saab: cold issues, and maybe rumbling?

  1. #1
    John
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    cold issues, and maybe rumbling?


    Hi folks,

    My beloved c900 (1992) has been running quite well despite the frigid eastern
    U.S. winter, but it does behave a bit oddly when starting after sitting for a
    day or two in < 20F (-5C) weather. I'm not sure if this stuff is normal, or if
    it is maybe a symptom of actual problems:

    1. starter noise

    My car has had a bit of trouble with the starter dragging slightly (just for a
    second) after the engine catches, for a couple years, and it hasn't caused any
    problems. But in the cold lately the noise upon cranking has been of the awful
    grinding sort, followed by the "normal" dragging. No trouble actually starting
    though. Is it normal for a starter to sound terrible when it's cold?

    2. whining

    After starting in extremely cold conditions, especially after sitting for more
    than 24 hours, there is a rather disturbing whining noise which varies with
    engine speed, and which goes away when the engine gets warm. I was thinking
    maybe some belt-driven accessory.. PS pump maybe?

    3. rumbling

    (maybe not cold-related)

    The other day when driving at highway speeds, I noticed a vibration (not really
    audible), which I would describe as feeling as if I were driving over hundreds
    of small, closely-spaced imperfections in the road. Except this was a smooth
    road. Observations:

    o Occurs only (or mostly?) when foot is on the gas.

    o Occurs in different gears.

    o Does not go away when car is warm.

    o Occurs more often when wheels are turned, maybe.

    This is a very subtle thing-- most (less paranoid) people might not notice it,
    and I didn't even believe it myself until I got someone else in the car to
    confirm it for me.

    Things I'm thinking: engine mounts (though I have no trouble shifting)? Related
    to afore-mentioned power steering observations? The tires/wheels look to be in
    good shape, and properly inflated.

    I'd love to hear what you all have to say about this stuff. Including whether
    I'm too paranoid for my own good

    Thanks,

    John


    ps-- out of curiosity-- has anyone ever put a LSD in a c900?


  2. #2
    Dave
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    Re: cold issues, and maybe rumbling?


    "John B" <org> wrote in message
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    Your starter solenoid which engages the starter gear is getting weak, and
    the cold temperatures exacerbate the problem by adding friction in the form
    of cold lubricant. You should not let it grind too much as it will wear
    down the gear on the engine that the starter fits into which is much much
    much harder to replace than your starter. Unfortunately the engineers at
    Saab made removing the starter from the 900 nearly friggin' impossible for
    the average shade-tree mechanic. Good luck.
     
    more 
    with 
    thinking 
    Could be lots of things, wouldn't worry about it unless there are other
    symptoms. Try starting the car with the hood open and see if you can
    pinpoint where the sound is coming from. BTW, is the engine a Turbo
     
    really 
    hundreds 
    smooth 
    it, 
    Related 
    be in 
    Have all four wheels balanced and tie-rods and ball joints checked for play
    if you have not done so. A common maintenance issue for higher-mileage
    900's is replacement of the inner drivers. Symptoms are usually rumbling or
    shuddering when the car is under load while turning. So find a steep hill
    with a curve and test it out... The inner drivers are cup-shaped deals that
    your wheel driveshafts fit into on the engine side, it's not that huge an
    undertaking for a (competent Saab-savvy) mechanic to replace.

     
    whether 



  3. #3
    John
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    Re: cold issues, and maybe rumbling?


    Thanks for the reply. I guess I'll take a shot at replacing the starter
    solenoid when it gets warm out.

    This car is not a turbo, btw.

    And I'll keep the inner drivers in mind as a possible culprit. I take it you
    don't think it's an engine mount problem.


    John

    On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:04:45 GMT, Dave <com> wrote: 

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    John
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    Re: cold issues, and maybe rumbling?

    On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:04:45 GMT, Dave <com> wrote: 

    Ok, should I replace the whole starter, or can I just replace the solenoid?
     

    Upon further observation, I think that it is indeed most noticable when
    turning (especially to the left). If it is the inner drive shafts, are they
    likely to fail suddenly, or can I live with this for another thousand miles?

    Thanks,

    John


 

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