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Chrysler: Caravan Electrical Ghost?

  1. #1
    Dennis
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    Caravan Electrical Ghost?

    Never ceases to amaze me how one car in this house gets fixed, another
    goes down...

    My mother's Caravan (I think it's a '96 or '97, at most a '98) has a
    new problem: seemingly at random while the car is on, every analog
    guage goes dead, every digital display on the dash wipes out and
    virtually every warning light comes on (oil, seatbelt, check engine,
    ABS, etc.). There's no change in the performance of the car though -
    no limp home mode, no rough running, you have have no spedo, tac, gas
    guage, etc.

    It has been to the dealer twice. The first time they said there were
    all sorts of error codes on all 6 computers, and that tracking it down
    would be quite the task (aka expensive). They reset the codes,
    test-drove the car, and no problems. Got it back and no less than 24
    hours later the same exact problem occurs. They've had it for 48 hours
    and said they'd reset the codes again and try test-driving it
    themselves - during a phone conversation with them earlier today, it
    was pretty clear they had not taken the vehicle out though. Still no
    sign of the ghost.

    Needless to say this is something I'd prefer to track down myself
    rather than have them do it, but I'm a little stumped as to the source
    of the failure - it seems to me if there's a problem with one of the
    computers, the techs should have been able to spot that right away, or
    at the very least the performance of the car would have been affected.
    Same goes for a short or something I'd imagine.

    Wondering if this could also be a problem from previous repairs; the
    ABS on the van has been serviced several times in the last year or so
    for problems, and the other month the gas tank sensor went bad and had
    to be replaced.

    Anyone got some advice on where to begin looking?

    -- D

  2. #2
    Matthew
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    Re: Caravan Electrical Ghost?

    Dennis Busse wrote: 

    There are several ground connections on the van that I would check first
    given that multiple systems appear to be affected simultaneously. I
    believe the service manual points these out in one schematic.


    Matt


  3. #3
    mic
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    Re: Caravan Electrical Ghost?

    if you don't have a high quilty scantool you will be chasing your tail

    Dennis Busse wrote:
     


  4. #4
    David
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    Re: Caravan Electrical Ghost?

    My first thought is the ignition switch. If everything that requires the
    ignition switch to be on goes off then perhaps that's the problem. My
    neighbor had to replace his Honda Civic's ignition switch and was told it
    was because of a key chain with loads and loads of keys putting stress on
    it.

    "Dennis Busse" <net> wrote in message
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  5. #5
    G
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    Re: Caravan Electrical Ghost?

    I have a 1996 Town & Country. Last year, the radio could suddenly shut
    itself off for no reason. Then the ABS warning light would go off suddenly
    and rendomly. I sent it back to the dealer. They could not find any thing
    but reset the codes. The problem did not go away, but more bad things
    happen, the battery seemed disappered for a fraction of a second while the
    car was running. However, that gave me a hint that the problem might come
    from the battery.
    Finally, I decided to check the battery myself. That was it. The battery
    terminals were very dirty. I cleaned them up and hooked them back TIGHT.
    The problem was gone since.
    Hope this may help.
    Gary
    "David Allen" <rr.com> ¦b¶l¥ó
    news:WW5cb.1293$socal.rr.com ¤¤¼¶¼g... 



  6. #6
    Dennis
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    Re: Caravan Electrical Ghost?

    Over the last few days, people wrote in ten foot tall digital flames:

    [snip responses]

    1) Gonna try to check the ground connections this weekend. I haven't
    had the car to check the manual or the connections yet, but that's the
    first place I want to look.

    2) I wish I had a scantool Anything that can't be fixed with basic
    equipment is gonna have to be a shop deal.

    3) Shouldn't be a problem with heavy keys killing the ignition switch
    through the weight, but I'll put that doesn as something to check.

    4) Checked the battery terminals for crud and they're fine. It's also
    not likely the battery as it was replaced last year.

    However, the progression of symptoms sounds similar - first the radio
    began to have issues, and now the whole dash is basically cutting out.

    Regarding re-occurance of the problem, it's been out two days,
    including a trip to NY and so far no problems. We're pretty much at
    this point just trying to figure out if this problem is happening in
    response to a certain stimuli - ie, hitting a bump in the road,
    primarily highway or city driving, gas tank at certain level, etc.

    Another thing - it's not the factory radio in there - my father
    installed a new audio package in the car. Personally I think it's
    something my father has screwed up or a wire wore or something, but I
    haven't told him that yet. (His handiwork isn't quite 100% perfect).
    Is it possible for a short or dropped wire there to affect the dash in
    such a manner (vs just blowing a fuse or shorting just the radio)?



  7. #7
    Whatevah
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    Re: Caravan Electrical Ghost?

    my dad's 90 Imperial has a digital panel, and it goes blank occasionally,
    and then comes back on. it's just the panel, the info center at the roof,
    and the radio and everything work fine. probably a wire short somewhere.

    it shows every light, because it thinks it just got turned on.

    took it to the dealership about a year ago, they couldn't find anything
    wrong. the outages used to run to 10 minutes or longer, now they usually
    stay under 10 seconds.

    not gonna spend a lot of time or money figuring out what's wrong with it,
    since the passenger doors got crushed by some stupid woman in a new Cadilac.
    thought the stop sign only applies to cars costing under 25 grand, I guess?
    we'll get rid of the car in a few months. right now, it's used for a twice
    a week 120 mile commute. racking up around 11k miles every 6 months.


    --
    Jerry at whatevah dot com
    (spambait gov )



  8. #8
    frerichs@ro-dot-.com
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    Re: Caravan Electrical Ghost?



    You need to look at the instrument cluster power , cluster grounds and
    the data bus feeding the cluster for your problem. It might fix
    itself if you reseat the cluster connectors.

    On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 02:25:31 GMT, Dennis Busse <net>
    wrote:
     


  9. #9
    Dennis
    Guest

    Re: Caravan Electrical Ghost?

    The connections have all been taken care of; problem is still there.
    Interestingly enough, the car also started having problems starting in
    the last few days; the shop diagnosed a bad starter, but it seems a
    little too unusual that this problem's popped up just a week or two
    after the instrument cluster began acting up. Anyone got any ideas on
    that?

    Original problem: Analog and digital guages cut out apparently at
    random; seatbelt, airbag, ABS, engine light all come on. At first it
    looked like this was happening every 6 days, but it missed the last
    cycle. Car continued to run normally until yesterday - no rough idle,
    no hestitation/stalling.

    New development: Car did not want to start, also apparently random
    (wouldn't work first few times, would then work fine, run, stop, start
    fine again, run, stop, not work). Shop claims bad starter (replaced @
    $200 cost).

    - D

  10. #10
    Steve
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    Re: Caravan Electrical Ghost?

    > The connections have all been taken care of; problem is still there. 
    in 
    on 
    idle, 
    start 


    Bad ignition switch???




 

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