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Toyota Prius: Air and Heating Question.

  1. #1
    timespace
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    Re: Air and Heating Question.

    When the ICE shuts off when not required and battery power is
    motivating the vehicle does the air conditioning shut off
    as well? Is the compressor operated by a belt connected
    to the ICE's cranshaft like all other cars or is the Prius system different?
    Similarly in the winter does the ICE have to be running to provide
    heat?

    Roger in Canada




  2. #2
    Michelle
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    Re: Air and Heating Question.

    In article <mBhbi.101160$cgocable.net>,
    "timespace" <ca> wrote:
     

    No. The A/C is powered by the traction battery.
     

    That, I do not know.

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  3. #3
    Mike
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    Re: Air and Heating Question.

    Michelle Steiner <org> wrote:
     

    I do. Heating _does_ occur when the ICE is not running.

    Say, Michelle, you just can't stay away from heating/cooling threads,
    can you? ;-) (Don't worry, folks, she'll know what I'm talking about.)

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  4. #4
    mrv@kluge.net
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    Re: Air and Heating Question.

    On Jun 11, 3:42 pm, "timespace" <ca> wrote: 

    if you want more specific local information, I'd suggest:
    http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Canada-Prius/

    Which Prius are you asking about? The NHW11 (2001-2003 "Classic"
    sedan) or the NHW20 (2004-current hatchback)?

    On the NHW11, the AC compressor is directly powered by a belt off of
    the gasoline engine. For the AC compressor to run, the gasoline
    engine will also run. (So, in the heat of summer, the engine may come
    on more often than otherwise just to power the AC compressor.)
    However, unless you have the front windshield defroster/defogger
    position selected or the MAX AC button pressed, the AC compressor does
    not run full-time/constantly (the ICE always on). The AC compressor
    may be used if you have the AC button on, but not always. If at a
    stoplight, for example, and the cabin is already at/near the desired
    cool temperature, the ICE will still shut down, and the fans will
    continue to blow the remaining cold air into the cabin. When the air
    being blown into the cabin or the cabin itself gets too warm, the ICE
    may turn on (even while the car is stopped/idle) just to power the AC
    compressor. The AC compressor/ICE will cycle on/off as needed to
    maintain the coolness of the cabin.

    On the NHW20, the AC compressor is electrically driven by power from
    the hybrid traction battery. So, the gasoline engine is not required
    to power the AC compressor. However, should the charge of the hybrid
    traction battery become too low (say from a long time stopped while
    the AC is on), the gasoline engine will be restarted just to recharge
    the battery. But the ICE use is independent of the AC.

    Depending on your country and region, your Prius may have some small
    PTC (electric) heaters to help with some cabin pre-heat (though it is
    barely noticable). However, all of your cabin heat comes from the
    conventional source - "waste" heat generated by the gasoline engine
    and stored in the engine coolant. The Prius' engine is rather
    efficient, as it only runs as necessary, so there isn't a whole lot of
    waste heat, so the ICE may come on every so often just to provide heat
    for the passenger compartment (and also to warm itself and emissions
    components up). Again, it shouldn't be constantly on, once the car
    and the cabin are up to the set temperatures, but should cycle on and
    off. (There's some residual heat left once the engine shuts down at a
    light or such, so the fans keep circulating this heat, but once it
    gets too cold again, the engine will come back on to provide more
    heat.)


  5. #5
    Michelle
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    Re: Air and Heating Question.

    In article <1hzjzjm.9z6w3w1f5yyngN%com>,
    com (Mike Rosenberg) wrote:
     

    That is good to know. Living in AZ, I rarely have the heater on anyway.
     

    I've pretty much avoided the heating threads. The cooling threads are
    another story.

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  6. #6
    Mike
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    Re: Air and Heating Question.

    Michelle Steiner <org> wrote:
     

    But, of course, the cooling threads in comp.sys.mac.system have gotten
    rather heated.

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  7. #7
    Elmo
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    Re: Air and Heating Question.

    In article <mBhbi.101160$cgocable.net>,
    "timespace" <ca> wrote:
     

    No. Just like your home air conditioner, the compressor runs off of
    electricity.

    Decoupling systems like this from the ICE is part of what makes a hybrid
    so attractive. There are many little items like this that can add up to
    a significantly more efficient car.


     

    In the current generation, the only heat source is the ICE. I've been
    wondering if maybe future generations wouldn't see electric-based
    auxiliary heat.


  8. #8
    mrv@kluge.net
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    Re: Air and Heating Question.

    On Jun 11, 3:55 pm, Michelle Steiner <org> wrote: 

    Not on my Classic Prius. One method to consistently turn the gasoline
    engine on is to turn the AC on with the MAX button.


  9. #9
    Michelle
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    Re: Air and Heating Question.

    In article <googlegroups.com>,
    "net" <net> wrote:
     

    But it is in the 2G Prius.

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  10. #10
    mrv@kluge.net
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    Re: Air and Heating Question.

    On Jun 12, 1:28 am, Michelle Steiner <org> wrote: 

    This is alt.autos.toyota.prius, and the OP didn't specify which model
    of Prius he was looking at. So it would be incorrect to say that the
    AC in the Prius is electrically driven, without the caveat that it is
    only electrically driven in a particlular model (since this group is
    not model-specific). The OP would probably be very annoyed if he
    purchased a used Classic Prius thinking that it had an electrically-
    driven AC and then found out that by turning the AC on he'd
    consistently turn his gasoline engine on...

    Oh, and the NHW10 also has the belt-driven AC, but I haven't heard of
    any showing up grey market in Canada yet...

    -Michelle, who almost purchased her 2001 Prius from Canada to import
    into the US just to get the color she wanted and cruise control (which
    was standard in Canada and not available in the US at the time)...



 

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