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  1. #1
    Rusa
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    92 maxima idling and jerky acceleration

    Hi all,

    Recently my 92 maxima GXE idling speed suddenly dropped at the traffic
    signal. It seems to not want to go back up any more. Further the
    acceleration is jerky but seems to get better at higher speed.

    I had changed my air filter with one from Autozone, a few days ago.
    That's all. My car even passed the stringent emission test.

    After reading this forum I gather that an aftermarket air filter can
    damage the air flow meter, so I replaced the air filter again with a
    Nissan dealer air filter.

    The problem is still there. Could the AFM be damaged. I only drove the
    car with the aftermarket air filter for five days. Anything else I can
    look for.

    Any simple tips to further diagnose will be much appreciated. I am not
    much of a diy person for car repairs but I will try.

    Thanks,

    Rusa

  2. #2
    Rusa
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    Re: 92 maxima idling and jerky acceleration

    Hi all,
    Just wanted to clarify, "jerky acceleration". It is as if the car has
    a sore throat while accelerating. The acceleration is pulsating and
    not smooth.

    Also, I dont have a problem starting the car.

    Thanks again for any advice.

    Rusa


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  3. #3
    Peter
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    Re: 92 maxima idling and jerky acceleration

    On 13 Jan 2004 11:30:21 -0800, com (Rusa) wrote:
     

    Most unlikely for an air filter to do any damage, it may allow small
    particles though which could cause more wear over 10's of thousands of
    miles, it may clog quicker or be more restrictive to begin with in
    which case you lose a bit of power at high revs.
     

    Check the AFM connector is properly connected and the inlet duct has
    no leaks. It it's a flat rectangular panel filter check you put it in
    the right way up.

    There do seem to be some claims that using carb cleaner to clean any
    lint or dust off the hot wire that can be seen in the small hole off
    to one side in the AFM works wonders. I would not advise any attempt
    at removal of the hot wire module from it's alloy body. NissTech says
    it should be heated after switch off to burn off any deposits but I
    can't find any mention of this in a '91 200SX turbo RS13 Nissan
    workshop manual or the supplement. Nor in the later '94 200SX S14
    turbo manual, the bottom line in that manual says check the hot wire
    for damage or dust. If it was supposed to burn off by some means
    there would be a fault finding guide to whatever had gone wrong with
    that system to allow the accumulation of dust.

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  4. #4
    Steve
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    Re: 92 maxima idling and jerky acceleration

    Rusa wrote:
     

    Yep, the symtoms you describe sound like AFM problems, hope you saved ~$500
    on that air filter :-)

    Any other junky tuneup parts on the car? That's where I'd start...

    --

    Steve

    http://www.atlantaracing.com

  5. #5
    Steve
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    Re: 92 maxima idling and jerky acceleration

    Peter Hill wrote:
     
     

    snip.
     


    So if his crap on the wire causes problems, why wouldn't a crappy air filter
    allow too much crap to get onto the wire and ruin the meter?

    I've seen a BUNCH of AFM's ruined from cheap airfilters and wouldn't be
    shocked if this one was ruined as well.


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    Steve

    http://www.atlantaracing.com

  6. #6
    Papa
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    Re: 92 maxima idling and jerky acceleration

    Go to autozone and see if they will see if your ECCU (computer) has
    any codes that relate to this problem. If there are none I would take
    it to a shop for a diagnosis. There are several sensor circuits that
    have to do with the Idle. One being the sensor that tells the ECCU how
    hot the engine is for example. All will affect the idle.

    I am assuming that when you replaced the filter the first time you
    didn't pull and hoses or wires off.
    It could be assocated with the filter change or it could be something
    else decided to malfunction.

    When you take it in, choose a shop that is modern, fairly large and is
    known to have been around for several years. Ask your friends if the
    have one to recommend.

    Sorry but without codes its a crapshoot as to what signal is messed
    up. Even then it might not be the sensor itself but a bad connection
    or a bad ground somewhere. Or you might have got a bad tank of gas or
    something not even related to the filter.

    Pappa Ray

  7. #7
    Rusa
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    Re: 92 maxima idling and jerky acceleration

    Thanks all ! No, the check engine light does not come on. I havent
    changed any ignition-related parts on this car - spark plugs,
    distributor cap etc. I did not pull any hoses or wires.

    My car has 100K miles. I don't want to believe it was caused by the
    air-filter change since I had the aftermarket (STP) air-filter on for
    only 4-5 days before the problem started. I am guessing it is
    unrelated to the air-filter change. The way I understood the AFM
    damage was it was a gradual process? Any other way to determine it is
    the AFM. I read in this newsgroup that AFM damage will cause the RPM
    to cap off at 2K or so. I am hoping I can try to pull the trouble
    codes myself by using some of the other postings on this newsgroup

    Rusa

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  8. #8
    Peter
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    Re: 92 maxima idling and jerky acceleration

    On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 20:36:48 -0500, Steve <com> wrote:
     

    and how many AFM's and other expensive electronic items have been
    junked to no effect, with the poor sap of a customer picking up the
    bill for the shops inablity to properly test and diagnose a fault?
    How often do I see someone posting to alt.autos.nissan with a tale of
    woe that some shop has charged them for the replacement of $100's of
    parts and still not fixed the fault?

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  9. #9
    Steve
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    Re: 92 maxima idling and jerky acceleration

    Rusa wrote:
     

    Nope, throw a hand full of dirt into one and it's a done deal. ;-)

    Maybe it was close to the end and this filter finished it off?
     

    That's only if it's -totally- dead i.e. no signal whatsoever.

    One thing you can try, see how it runs with it unplugged. If it idles good,
    my money is on the AFM.
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    Steve

    http://www.atlantaracing.com

  10. #10
    Steve
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    Re: 92 maxima idling and jerky acceleration

    Peter Hill wrote:
     

    Given the shop manual test for an questionable AFM is "replace with known
    good unit", how is that a faulty way to test it? The shop manual test and
    codes only works with a totally dead meter. I've seen dozens (if not
    hundreds) that pass the basic test in the shop manual (blow through the
    meter and watch for a voltage change) and set no code yet were -the-
    problem with the car.

     

    So? If I use a known good AFM to test a car and it doesn't fix the problem,
    the old one goes back on and I move onto something else. If some other shop
    just leaves every part the suspect on a car, they are butchers. That isn't
    how I work.

    It's like a bad ECU, the ONLY test for a flakey ECU is to replace it with a
    known good one. So you're saying if the ECU might be flakey and there is no
    test, it shouldn't ever be replaced?
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    Steve

    http://www.atlantaracing.com


 

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