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Mitsubishi: 90 Eclipse GSR4 repaired ECU diagnosis

  1. #31
    Lmarks
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    Re: 90 Eclipse GSR4 repaired ECU diagnosis


    Comments interleaved.

    Larry
     

    Just the main pair so far. You can see that they go to the fat trace that
    goes up the middle to the 2SB1355 used as a linear series regulator.
     

    Wow! First for so many circuit card failures, and second
    for so many computer failures. I've had this 1992 since about 1994, and
    have 160K miles on it, and this is the first problem I've had.
     

    Seems to be just fine, unfortunately. I can go from the pin to the
    2SB1355 and way beyond it. I think I've checked +12V and ground, and +5
    going out, but will re-check.
     

    This is standard practice for surface mount technology (SMT). You have to
    hold all the tinned, fluxed components in place after they are placed,
    until the populated board goes on the conveyor belt through the reflow
    oven (which, of course, reflows the solder).
     

    I've been using an ohmmeter. I'll try again and also trace the voltages
    with power on. It would be great to merely span some break with a few
    jumpers.

    Do you remember back in the mid 1960s when PC boards just went into wide
    use, and hairline fractures were common? They didn't use conformal
    coating then (as auto manufactures do now) and the radio service techs
    simply laid a coating of solder along every trace on the card.
     

    Well, right now my problem seems to be close to the power terminals, too.
     

    Thanks, I'm counting on it.

    Larry


  2. #32
    Lmarks
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    Re: 90 Eclipse GSR4 repaired ECU diagnosis

    Well, I was baffled by this for quite a while. The ohmmeter (one of those
    business-card-sized digital units) indicated continuity (beeps) on all the
    major traces, but I wasn't getting any voltages much beyond the where the
    connectors enter the card, when I powered it on the bench.

    It finally dawned on me that the ohmmeter will beep with some resistance,
    perhaps up to 10 ohms. The resistance of the entire card (through all the
    ICs and discrete circuits, etc.) is lower than that, so I wasn't measuring
    along the +5V trace--I was measuring between 5V and ground.

    It appears that the failure mode you observed is in play here, too. The
    trace seems to have failed under the big electrolytic cap nearest the
    connector, where all the brown crud was. I will put on new electrolytics.
    I'm ordering high-temperature (industrial/military grade) caps with -40C
    to +105C temp range, just as were on it. It doesn't make sense to use
    consumer grade caps in this harsh environment. And they only cost a few
    pennies more.

    I'm reserving judgement until the new caps come and I do the replacement,
    but it looks like your description of the failure mechanism is right--the
    heavier components are cantilevered off the board, held by cement.
    Ultimately vibration and bumps cause them to pull the foil from the board
    and open it.

    It amazes me that Mitsubishi was able to make this on a two-layer board.
    I expected a four-layer board.

    Larry




  3. #33
    Nirodac
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    Re: 90 Eclipse GSR4 repaired ECU diagnosis

    Hopefully thats your problem. Although if the caps aren't leaking or
    bulging, you could repair the trace and fire it up for a quick test.
    How would you know it was working ? Check the diagnostic output pin for
    pulsed signal.

    Good Luck




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  4. #34
    Lmarks
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    Re: 90 Eclipse GSR4 repaired ECU diagnosis

    I replaced the four electrolytics today. There was brown crud under two of
    them. Either the adhesive they use is corrosive (as you suggest), or the
    electrolyte is leaking and corrosive.

    While I had the big one out that's near the connector (50V, 47uF), I
    looked further for the open circuit. I never could see it, but I located
    where it had to be and repaired it. The main trace comes in with 12 volts
    on two adjacent pins. This trace goes through a T-filter. The next via on
    that 12-volt trace is a reverse-biased diode to ground, to protect against
    reverse polarity (car battery installed backwards).

    Using a real analog VOM (not the beeper) I found continuity from the 12
    volt connector to through the filter, but not to the diode. It looked
    like there was corrosion around the filter lead. So I took a short piece
    of AWG 18 wire and bridged from the filter to the diode and suddenly 12v
    and 5v appeared in the right places.

    Had I thought to look here first, I would have also checked the diagnostic
    output. It's back in the package now, so I'll just install it and try it
    tomorrow and report back.

    Thanks a lot, Nirodac.



  5. #35
    Lmarks
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    Re: 90 Eclipse GSR4 repaired ECU diagnosis

    Just to finish the story, I installed the computer today and the car
    started right up and runs fine.

    It is more than wishful thinking that the car actually runs better than
    before the failure. I expect there may have been some noise due to caps
    going bad that was affecting engine performance above 4000 RPM. It now
    winds smoothly to 6000 (not something I do very often--I'm nearly 60 years
    old).

    Nirodac, thanks a lot. If you see this, drop a note to the Hotmail
    account listed above.

    Larry Marks


  6. #36
    TERRANX
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    Re: 90 Eclipse GSR4 repaired ECU diagnosis

    GSR4 =GSX?


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