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Mercedes-Benz: 560 SEL suspension conversion

  1. #1
    Henk
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    560 SEL suspension conversion

    Do you know if its possible to convert the 1990 560 SEL rear suspension to a standard suspension with shocks instead of the existing automatic leveling system?

    Henk

  2. #2
    JPF
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    Re: 560 SEL suspension conversion

    Why would you want to defeat it?




    On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 05:27:30 GMT, "Henk" <com> wrote:
     


  3. #3
    Henk
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    Re: 560 SEL suspension conversion

    Mostly because of the cost of the replacement shocks. They are far more
    expensive than they need to be I figure. Of course I'm open to reasonably
    priced shocks if available somewhere. I'm in Toronto so if you can advise
    me where I can find reasonably priced shocks I'd appreciate it. My car
    sounds like its going down a washboard road most of the time and its very
    irritating.

    Thanks,
    Henry

    "JPF" <net> wrote in message
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    to a standard suspension with shocks instead of the existing automatic
    leveling system? 



  4. #4
    JPF
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    Re: 560 SEL suspension conversion

    What's wrong with the shocks? They're pretty sturdy, and don't
    usually leak much. If the damping sucks and the ride is bad, the air
    cells get replaced, not the shocks. I see many people foolishly
    replace shocks on Jags, Rolls, BMW and MB's when all they need is a
    very inexpensive nitrogen ball.


    On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 14:26:01 GMT, "Henk" <com> wrote:
     


  5. #5
    Rockman59
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    Re: 560 SEL suspension conversion

    If the damping sucks and the ride is bad, the air
    cells get replaced, not the shocks
    __________________________________________
    Good advice...the shocks on the air models are probably not the problem
    here.



  6. #6
    Frank
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    Re: 560 SEL suspension conversion

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    I think you are referring to the hydropneumatic suspension made by french
    manufacturer Citroen. This suspension system was available with some upper
    class Mercedes cars, and it does not have separate shocks. All you exchange
    are the suspension bowls. One bowl is about 70$, exchange of all bowls is
    about one hour labor. These are the figures quoted by Citroen (don't know
    how much Mercedes charges you).

    I currently own such a Citroen, and while you can argue about the overall
    quality of this brand, the suspension system is really outstanding.

    Frank

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    JAZZIMA
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    Re: 560 SEL suspension conversion

    Yes, it's possible to replace the 560 SEL suspension with one from the 420 (
    air to liquid, essentially). Many shops do this due the the expense of
    replacing the 560's suspension when it goes.

  8. #8
    T.G.
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    Re: 560 SEL suspension conversion

    Suggest YOU learn about this rear suspension and crawl under the car to
    see it first hand. It's not all that complicated and if YOU understand
    how it works its repair costs are not bad. BUT if YOU allow some shop to
    sell you a "replace everything" repair it will be painfully expensive.

    Engine driven hydraulic pump provides the push. Special, expensive,
    hydraulic fluid transmits power to the rear axle. Leveling valve adjusts
    the car's rear height. Nitrogen spheres (break and need replacement) are
    the "helper springs". In principle those are its components, a similar
    suspension is also used by the TD/TE station wagons.


  9. #9
    JPF
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    Re: 560 SEL suspension conversion

    Many "shops" have no clue WTF is going on.
    It isn't rocket science, it's simple hydraulics. It's a very reliable
    system. Even here in WNY, where everything rots, they rarely fail.
    The largest problem with this system is ignorance. The shocks
    themselves do very little. They pretty much hold fluid. If they're
    attached to the car, and the fluid isn't pouring out, they're usually
    fine. Sure, they leak now and then, but replacement in pairs is not
    required if they do.

    While indeed it may be possible, it is rarely cost effective or
    necessary to butcher it with a "conversion.".

    This problem doesn't only plague MB. Jags, Bentley, Rolls, BMW's all
    get fucked up by some ignorant butcher in an attempt to "repair" or
    "convert" it.

    On 19 Oct 2003 00:48:17 GMT, com (JAZZIMA) wrote:
     



 

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