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  1. #1
    Iain
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    328 Operating temps

    Been doing some reading (as ya do) re engine operating temps, efficiency,
    engine wear etc etc & I'm beginning to wonder if the Thermostat in my 328 is
    old & knackered (and generally stuck open/lazy).

    At normal running I'm seeing water temperature of around 165 & Oil Temp of
    maybe 180. These will tend to climb a bit when pushing on but nowhere near
    to the big 195 marked on the water temp guage & the 210 marked on the Oil
    temp guage.

    Any other 308/328 owners out there have a view on what these temps should
    be - what do your cars run at? Heard plenty of "they all do that" but then
    again that's not what the manual says the temps should be at.....or are
    Ferrari guages just basically innaccurate?

    It'd hardly be a surprise that a 16 year old T'stat had failed after all
    (I've just had to replace both the ones in my VW & Audi at 6 & 8 years &
    probably should have done the Audi a year or so earlier) & I've a mind to
    replace the thing. If the thing was deigned to run with a water temp of 195
    etc well then it would probably be better for it if it did!

    Needless to say the part is a ridiculous price - a 328 Thermostat costs
    about 75 notes (thata be over $140 for our transatlantic cousins)according
    to the online parts thing on the owners club site.

    rgds

    I.



  2. #2
    Ted
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    Re: 328 Operating temps

    Hi Ian,

    For my '87 328, I see oil temp and water temp both attain peak temps of ~
    190-200 after the car is full warmed up and at steady-state. Keep in mind
    this is in Arizona, although actually I don't see much difference in summer
    or winter. But if your winter is truly cold (our winters are warm, summers
    bloody hot) then maybe my operating temp info isn't relevant for you. Do
    you see a difference summer vs. winter?

    Ted.

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  3. #3
    Paul
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    Re: 328 Operating temps

    Iain Miller wrote:
     

    I get much closer to the 195/210. If run hard for a long period of
    time (very naughty speeds on nice big Euro roads) she'll push beyond
    these...
    ....and then the throttle sticks open and it all gets rather interesting.

    I'm not enough of a mechanic to understand these things, but although
    I take your point about the engine being 'designed' to run at an 'optimum'
    temperature, I wonder if it is that specific, purely guessing I'd have
    thought
    that the temperature range in which an engine will run efficiently would
    be quite wide and that being on the 'low' end of the range would be
    inconsequential.

    Anyway, I'm sure someone who knows more about everything will
    be along in a minute...


    -Ignorant Paul




  4. #4
    Iain
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    Re: 328 Operating temps


    "Ted Adlam" <net> wrote in message
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    Thanks for that...we do get wide temperature variation Summer-Winter but the
    thing seems to run at more or less the same temps year round. The more I
    think about it displaying all the symptoms of a stuck T'stat and there is
    fairly easy test to check - just start the thing & let it idle....if water
    coming to the radiator gradually its probably stuck - if its working right
    the rad will stay cold for quite a while and then get hot fairly quickly as
    the Stat opens. I'll be doin' that as soon as it stops snowing!

    rgds

    I.




  5. #5
    Iain
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    Re: 328 Operating temps


    "Paul Duffin" <made.up.com> wrote in message
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    Some will say it doesn't matter within reason (which is probably where I am
    more or less) but there is no doubt that running an engine in a perpetually
    over-cooled state isn't that good for it - if you run it without a T'stat
    you really will bugger it - you get a massivly increased flow rate, a temp
    guage that barely lifts off the bottom & nasty things like cavitation in the
    water pump. Things are designed & tolerances set for standard operating
    temps which, for most cars I've ever seen, means a water temp of 190 or 195
    (about 90 in "new money").

    Mrs M's Audi has an oil temp guage on it & there is no doubt that after I
    changed the T'stat on that & the water temp stabilised at 90 the oil temp
    came up quite a lot from where it used to run at (Funny enough it runs at
    about 90 now as well!).

    On the other hand the Operating manual for the 328 does talk about ranges of
    temperatures. That said the one thing it is specific about is what the oil
    pressure should be at 6000 rpm & 212 deg oil temp - mine never gets anywhere
    near that which further suggests its running too cool. The fact that both
    oil and water temps are down points to over cooling (old/lazy T-stat) rather
    than a dodgy guage or a dodgy sender I think.

    Hope all is well

    rgds

    I.



  6. #6
    matt
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    Re: 328 Operating temps


    "Iain Miller" <me> wrote in message

    .. That said the one thing it is specific about is what the oil 
    anywhere 

    Doesn't get near 212, or 6000 rpm..?


    If it's the latter, well, I guess Paul was right about you...

    At least what I could hear over the squeaking as he applied
    his 20th coat of tire black.


    I agree with your stuck stat diagnosis, btw.


    -Matt- "Two, TWO insults in one shot!"



  7. #7
    Paul
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    Re: 328 Operating temps

    matt borland wrote:

     

    WHY I OUGHTA....!

    MCPD
    p.s. it's 'tyre', you colonial!
    p.p.s. anyone else notice that dear 'ol Iaiaiaiaiain can't spell gauge
    (although
    a quick google [just to ensure I'm not making a complete tosser of myself,
    you understand] reveals that neither can many others).
    p.p.p.s anyone who knows me would realise how laughable the idea of me
    correcting *anybody's* spelling is... :-(



  8. #8
    Iain
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    Re: 328 Operating temps

     

    Yes, but at least I'm not colour blind (!)

    pip pip!!

    I.



  9. #9
    Iain
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    Re: 328 Operating temps


    "Paul Duffin" <made.up.com> wrote in message
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    For some reason I can't see Matt's post via my news server so I googled for
    it - cheeky sod (!)

    ....and Mr Borland, for your information, it winds round happily to 7800rpm -
    which is a damn site more than you're going to see out of your impending
    Plymouth Voyager !! (unless, that is, you want to be wearing your valve
    gear!)

    I.



  10. #10
    T308
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    Re: 328 Operating temps

    MCPD wrote...

    <p.s. it's 'tyre', you colonial!
    <p.p.s. anyone else notice that dear 'ol Iaiaiaiaiain can't spell gauge
    although
    <a quick google [just to ensure I'm not making a complete tosser of
    myself,
    <you understand] reveals that neither can many others).
    <p.p.p.s anyone who knows me would realise how laughable the idea of me

    <correcting *anybody's* spelling is... :-(

    p.s. It's "realize" you Pommy Bastard!

    T308
    ('ello Bruce!)



 

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