Toyota Camry: 2004 4 cyl Camry SE vs. LE for $21K ?

You're looking at the V6 right? (since it appears from the sales bochure
that side air bags are only available as part of a VSC/Side Airbag pkg with
a V6). The 4 cyl LE comes with rear drums (on the SE 4 cyl it is disc) .
It appears the LE is not available with 16" tires - it has 215/65x15 all
season. The SE and Limited Edition (not to be confused with the LE model)
have 16" but they are performance 215/60x16 tires. I have an 03 SE 4cyl
which came with Micheline tire which seem to be wearing very well (or is it
very little). I would not pay an extra $750 to special order a car --- that
for the dealer is sold when it arrives and doesn't have to sit on the lot.

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Thanks for the opinions. (I forgot to say that I did want automatic)

I don't want the 6 cyl, because the 4 cyl has 157 hp and 30 MPG: Adequate!
It's true the side/curtain don't come on the 4 cyl, but they can be ordered.
I don't want 2 wheel disc (and drums?) with ABS on the LE, so I want the SE.

I like the info about the performance Michelins vs. All Season.
Moonroof IS mandatory, altho not desired!

The Texas distributor has strange costs: Delivery is ~ $555. Nonnegotiable!
So I don't know about the $750 'special order' but I have five dealers close by
to get bids from...

The "made in Japan" question is because some VINs start with a J, so I infer
made in Japan.

Price so far: I can get a base LE for ~$17K, but with my options -> $21K !
It sure sounds like a $2K profit for the dealer.

I got mine on May 2003 for the 2003 LE. I paid $17,500 (below invoice) which
include the ABS, side airbag and carpet. It sounds the best deal I ever
have. It maybe better if you get the stuff after market instead maybe
cheaper, you can trade in the tires, rims for whatever you want. Only down
side is you have to shop around.

Good luck

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The base LE is $16K in California. The increase in price with options like
ABS and airbags is not linear. You're probably at $18K plus options. ABS and
side curtain air bags are not a port installed option, they are factory
installed.

I would not pay the $750 either. Fact of the matter is that it is
cheaper for a dealer to order a car that is already sold. Keeping
inventory cost money. Whey you order, they do not hold that car in
inventory. I cannot believe they would try that. I guess anything to
get another buck out of you.

Maybe you should try this approch with the dealer/sales scum. "Let me
help you save money. I will buy a car from you that you never have to
pay inventory tax on. In addition, you can keep that other car on the
lot to sell to someone who needs a car today". Sounds like win/win to
me.

Scot

Great idea Scot )

Ben

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