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- 10-10 05:16 PM #1SeanGuest
1999 model VS 2003 models
I have a 1999 Sport that I've been happy with and have seen some great
prices on some end of model year 2003 Sport 4X4's advertised.
Specifically a 2003 Sport 4X4 with a msrp of 29,000 advertised for
20,000. Without 0% financing, of course.
My 1999 has low miles and is in excellent shape so I should get a
decent trade amount.
My question is, what improvements have been made in the 4 model years?
Didn't they increase the wheelbase to counter the rollover issue after
1999?
Does anyone know of any other improvements I could use to justify
this purchase? Other than helping the economy and my own selfishness.
Thanks
Sean
- 10-10 09:43 PM #2RobGuest
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- 10-14 12:54 AM #3JimGuest
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Sean, the rollover issue is neither a function of wheelbase, track nor
centre of gravity - it is totally operator driven. It is entirely possible
to roll any vehicle ever made.... we just need to be stupid enough to get
there.
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- 10-14 02:32 AM #4AZGuyGuest
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On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 00:54:57 GMT, "Jim Warman"
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Wow, the laws of Physics have been repealed....
- 10-14 03:44 AM #5JimGuest
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Read my post a little closer..... the laws of physics have always applied.
It is when we try to break those laws that things turn ugly.
Like I said... all we need to do is to be stupid enough to think that there
are no laws of physics.... we'll get there (on our roof, that is...).
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- 10-14 04:15 AM #6AZGuyGuest
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On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 03:44:05 GMT, "Jim Warman"
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There is no need to read it any "closer". When you say "...rollover
issue is neither a function of wheelbase, track nor centre of gravity
- it is totally operator driven.." you are making a claim that is
simply not true. ALL of those things PLUS the abilities and
knowledge of the driver impact the probability of a vehicle to roll or
not roll.
- 10-14 05:12 AM #7DaveGuest
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Since the Blazer didn't have nearly as many rollover problems, does that
mean that Chevy drivers are just naturally smarter?
Dave
- 10-14 05:37 AM #8JimGuest
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I couldn't say unless you plan on funding a major marketting study into why
some folks chose the Blazer, or the Bronco or the Exploder (in larger
numbers than any of the others) or any other particular vehicle. I made a
simple statement..... there are those than cannot see an incipient problem
and there are those that can see an incipient problem.
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- 10-14 05:44 AM #9JimGuest
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I disagree..... a driver must understand the vehicles reaction to his/her
input..... That an Explorer will rollover more easily than (say) a Mustang
isn't a closely guarded secret - this is what we can call a "no brainer"
with one look at the differences betwixt the two.
I can roll a Mustang by ignoring what feedback the car is giving me..... I
can roll an Explorer by ignoring what feedback the car is giving me. To take
our shortcomings and try to deliver them onto an inanimate object is
shortsighted and foolish.
Read differently, my statement says that an Explorer (or any other vehicle)
will not rollover unless I command it to. You squirmed out of the laws of
physics statement.... let's see how you do that one....
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- 10-14 11:25 AM #10VicGuest
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Your data on rollovers is incorrect. Not surprising given the hype in
the press on Explorers, but I hate to see facts being ignored. For the
particular models in question when the rollover thing started, and even
with the Firestone Wilderness AT tires being on roughly half of the
Explorers, that vehicle exhibited significantly less rollover problems
than the Blazer. Specifically, as measured by the Insurance Institute
for Highway Safety as actual death rates per million registered vehicle
years from 1995-1998, the numbers were:
4 Dr 4WD Explorer - 26
4 Dr 4WD Blazer - 45
2 Dr 4WD Explorer - 51
2 Dr WD Blazer - 112
Note also the difference between 2 Dr and 4 Dr models, which is likely
due to a difference in the demographics of the drivers. Why the buzz
that there was a rollover problem? As the most successful and popular
passenger vehicle (i.e. - has a back seat) in the country, it represents
a juicy target for lawsuits and press from those who think, without any
supportive data, that SUV's are evil.
=Vic=
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