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Ford: 1989 Crown Victoria: Replaced fuel pump, died shortly afterwards

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    Joel
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    1989 Crown Victoria: Replaced fuel pump, died shortly afterwards

    Hi,

    My grandparents had a 1989 LTD Crown Victoria with the 5.0L fuel-injected
    engine. It wasn't running, and after a little troubleshooting, I found that
    the fuel pump was frozen. I removed the fuel tank and the pump and -- after
    seeing a fair amount of rust present -- wasn't surprised that the pump had
    died (how much rust is there supposed to be in a gas tank?). I bought a new
    pump and was initially surprised to see that it was noticeably smaller than
    the original, but the guy at the store assured me it was the correct model
    and just that pumps have become more efficient over the years, hence the
    reduction in size. (The pump came with a new rubber noise damper so that
    the new pump would fit the original bracket.)

    Anyway, I installed the pump, cranked the engine and -- hooray! -- it turned
    over and started. We took it around town for a couple of days (probably
    about 4-5 starts), and it was fine -- although it did seem to require
    excessive cranking to start. Additionally, the new fuel pump would
    sometimes make a loud, high pitched whine after running for awhile (15
    minutes?) -- noticeably louder than the last fuel pump ever did (when it
    worked). Finally, we were leaving a store and _no_ amount of cranking would
    start the engine. It doesn't even try -- you can hear one singular "pop"
    indicating that the engine is getting a little fuel, but after that it seems
    as if there's almost no fuel being delivered to the injectors.

    I didn't have a fuel pressure gauge with me, but I verified that -- while
    the fuel pump is running -- fuel does come out of the Schrader valve where
    you're supposed to connect your gauge. However, as soon as the fuel pump
    stops, there doesn't appear to be any fuel pressure whatsoever. My
    understanding (from the Hayne's manual) is that this is wrong -- the fuel
    system is supposed to hold pressure. On the other hand, the fuel return
    line going into the gas tank just has a small rubber ending on it with a
    'slit' opening so... what is supposed to ensure the fuel system returns
    pressurized? Is there a check valve somewhere?

    My working theory is that the fuel pressure is simply too low to be making
    it into the injectors with enough volume to run the engine. That would
    explain why the car took excessive cranking to start, although not why it
    was working fine for awhile and then suddenly stopped... I would think that
    perhaps the fuel pump 'partially' died, becoming weak, but I have a hard
    time believing a new pump would do such a thing... but then again, it did
    make those loud high-pitched whining noises, so who knows?

    Any ideas? The Haynes manual says that if the fuel pressure is low and
    there aren't any leaks (there aren't!), you should replace the fuel pump...
    but it seems to me the lack of holding pressure might indicate some other
    problem? Or should I just replace the fuel pump (again!) and see what
    happens? (The fuel pump has a lifetime warranty.) Also: The fuel filter
    has ~30k miles on it and -- although you can't see into it -- I could blow
    through it, so I wouldn't think it was clogged. (Plus I can't imagine the
    fuel filter just suddenly clogging like that.)

    Thanks,
    ---Joel Kolstad



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    F&P
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    Re: 1989 Crown Victoria: Replaced fuel pump, died shortly afterwards

    I wouldn't be surprised if some gunk got into the pressure regulator. Put
    the gauge on and see.

    Hope this helps - Paul in Dayton


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    Thomas
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    Re: 1989 Crown Victoria: Replaced fuel pump, died shortly afterwards

    Rust in tank, pump pumps fluid with particles in to filter, filter does it's job
    by removing particles, particles cause filter to act as a resister lowering the
    amount of volume of fluid the pump can deliver causing fuel pressure to fall
    after the filter. The pump now is at a constant overpressure condition.........
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    PC
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    Re: 1989 Crown Victoria: Replaced fuel pump, died shortly afterwards

    Good call Thomas, that's definitely sounds like the prob

    John

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    Thomas
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    Re: 1989 Crown Victoria: Replaced fuel pump, died shortly afterwards

    Basics, basics, basics.
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    Joel
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    Re: 1989 Crown Victoria: Replaced fuel pump, died shortly afterwards

    F&P <net> wrote: 

    Is the pressure regulator located near the fuel rail? I'll look around next
    time I'm there and see.

    The fact that it doesn't hold pressure when the pump is off -- wouldn't that
    point to a malfunctioning pressure regulator?

    Thanks,
    ---Joel



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    Thomas
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    Re: 1989 Crown Victoria: Replaced fuel pump, died shortly afterwards

    It could. It could also indicated a leaking check valve in the fuel pump.
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    F&P
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    Re: 1989 Crown Victoria: Replaced fuel pump, died shortly afterwards

    My '84 TBird (with CFI but still high pressure injectors) leaked down within
    a minute of turning the engine off. It did it new and was checked with no
    problem found. I drove it 180k miles and it's new owner has about 20k more
    on it now. Never changed anything in the high pressure part except filter.
    Mr. Moats was probably right on about the filter, tho. Plugged filter, no
    (or very little) fuel. The regulator is a little round can-thing. Maybe 2"
    by 2" and often has a hole in the top where a hex key will fit.

    Paul in Dayton


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