Toyota Prius: 100% Electric SUV From Phoenix Motorcars Recharges In 10 Minutes

"Sparrow" <com> wrote in message
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Spam, spam, spam....

These sensationalist articles don't help, either. This subject was kicked
around in the Yahoo! Toyota-Prius forum a couple months ago and the big
hitch was the amount of power required to do a ten minute charge. IIRC it
was around 250kW - in a league with entire shopping malls and colleges.

If you're going to spam us, try getting your feet on the ground first.

Mike

"Michael Pardee" <com> wrote in message
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Actually, I think the "article" is right from the phoenix web site!
And I don't think these cars are too cheap, either.

And later, I think the charge rates became more on the order of 5 hrs.
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Michael Pardee wrote: 

Actually, that doesn't sound that unreasonable. 250 KW for ten minutes is
41.7 KWH, about $5 worth of electricity.

I leave it to someone else with a much wilder imagination than I have to
figure out where to get a battery that will charge significantly in ten
minutes, much less a whole pack of them.

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"clifto" <com> wrote in message
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All we have to do is upgrade our homes' electric service to 1000A and we
will be in great shape!

On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 23:00:09 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
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Actually, you will need more than 2000A and even more if you want to
run your refrigerator at the same time. Of course the 10 minute
charge sounds more like a "gas station" mode. If the "gas station"
wants to charge three of these vehicles at once, it will need 6000+A
service. Figure they will charge you about at least $15 for that $5
worth of electricity to pay for the infrastructure and provide a
profit. The real question is, how far can you drive on that $15 fill
up? I would be surprised if it is any farther than you can get on $15
worth of gasoline.

"Gordon McGrew" <com> wrote in message
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What? Your house doesn't have 1000 Amp. service? I thought that was the bare
minimum. ROFL!!!! Seriously, most houses up here have either 100 or 200 amp
service. Back in the 50's, 75 amp was the norm.

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 23:42:42 -0500, Gordon McGrew
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And how about the power grid in neighborhood to feed this service???
What many do not realize is that a gallon of gas has about 50 HP in it
or just under 40KW. A car is about 30% efficent (give or take) meaning
that about 13 KW from every gallon is convertered to motion. If your
car uses 5 gallons to go 100 miles that mean you have "used about 75
KW on energy at the ground. A eletric car is about 80% efficent so you
need to store about 95KW in same vehicle to get same range. Problem
with that is two fold. First it takes a LOT of battery to store that
much energy which adds a lot of weight and then there is charging it
because charging is not 100% efficent either. Figure on 120 to 130KW
of energy being used to charge a 95K pack (losses in batteries and
charger) so 120KW a t 10 cents a KW (though many places charge even
more) is 12 bucks verse about 15 for gas and not worth it. Also range
will decrease in winter because waste heat from a gas motor heats car
and figure on 3 to 6KW or more per hour to heat car. Then to charge
it with 100 amp service and running nothing esle in your house it is
going to take about 6 hours to charge minimum. People want to beleive
that there is this great splution out there and that a car is being
kept from them that they can simply plug into a wall socket and dirve
because they have no concept of the energy needed or the amount of it
in one gallon of gas. Just like they want you to beleive we can grow
our way out of gas problems with grain alchol even though it has only
60% of the energy in gas and increases CO2 emissions by 50% too. Plus
even if all the grain/corn crop in use was turned to fuel it would
only make about 1/3 of daily needs with none left for food. (we use
about 800,000,000 gallons of fuel a day and you cannot grow your way
out of that problem)
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SnoMan wrote: 

indeed. i find it amazing that lawyers are happy to bring "ripoff"
lawsuits for real, but nevertheless minor, issues like gas temperature
differences,

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2006/12/hot_fuel.html

but ignore the HUGE ripoff of ethanol!!! makes you wonder what they
teach at law schools.